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What a horrible website, impossible to read the article with ads constantly being jammed on it. But what is 'culturally tainted objects' and why would they have issue with someone buying and selling the coins? On the surface it seems like government overreach.
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But what is 'culturally tainted objects' and why would they have issue with someone buying and selling the coins? On the surface it seems like government overreach. Many countries have laws protecting what they feel is the nation's "cultural patrimony." There is quite a bureaucracy that looks over ancient and medieval coins leaving Italy, for example. I think the U.S. looks at its patrimony differently. We value beautiful places, like our National Parks, and there is the National Register of Historic Places, which has some legal protections for structures, neighborhoods, etc. There are also regulations in place at the local level. Coins? Not so much, I think. Though I's sure there are regulations about how property rights for hoards are determined. Edited by tdziemia
05/30/2019 5:11 pm
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What a horrible website, impossible to read the article with ads constantly being jammed on it.
Jimbucks, sorry you had trouble with the site. I don't have any such problems with it. I originally saw the article on BBC news but story was only on the arrests and nothing on historical significance. I linked to this article after searching around. This had much more info on the historical background of Ceolwulf II, King of Mercia and King Alfred the Great than any other article.
Personally I would rather see coins go into the market to collectors rather than a museum that may never display them. I'm sure there are valid arguments on both sides of issue however, I just don't trust government bureaucrats to be sensible.
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05/31/2019 11:48 am
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I can't pretend to know anything about English coins of this early period
But they do seem unusually well centered and ornate
Most English coins I remember seeing I couldn't make heads nor tails of either side !
Being ignorant I probably would have passed on them if I found them at the local flea market selling for $40 apiece !
I would have suspected them to be fakes
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Jimbucks;
With Firefox when I load the dailymail the moment it starts to load and I see the icon that looks like a small open newspaper by the refresh at the end of the address bar I click it and I get the Firefox "reader" view that is just text. So if you have Firefox as your browser you can get around the ads that sites like the dailymail uses. A few sites know this trick and when you click reader view it says unable to load from website so they force you to use the regular website but dailymail does not seem to mind. The dailymail had really targeted the US reader and has been the number one USA website in the past and they have a lot of fun messing with us and oddly enough because they don't follow our laws they publish names of people who the USA papers can't for a while when there is a big event so USA readers know if they want to know who did a crime in the USA the dailymail will publish it first always. They seem to love pitting us against each other but not being Republican or Democrat and just showing stories from both sides to get us mad at each other and lately they are really pushing the Martin Luther King book from the government tapes that can't be released yet and have publicly stated on their site that the USA papers are ignoring the story to not ruin his image but they want the world to know everything he did in hotel rooms for whatever reason. I kind of think they kind of hate us and just enjoy watching us fight as they make a fortune on US readers.
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05/31/2019 11:32 am
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A culturally tainted object is one that's been dug up without being reported. It robs the community of the chance to better understand the significance of the object by learning it's context through approved and accepted scientific (in this case archaeological) methods.
I don't claim to be an expert in English law, but I think basically it holds that the finder of objects, in this case a hoard of coins, is obligated to notify the government (or some representative thereof) of the find so they can study the location of the find and preserve the find and the location as needed. As an incentive to following the law, if the find is determined to be significant the finder is awarded a fee approximating the value of the find and the find is taken for study. If the find is not deemed significant the finder is allowed to keep the object(s).
In theory, it encourages people to find objects by offering financial incentives which, it the law is followed, produces more opportunities for historical and scientific study of the finds while at the same time offering disincentives to not following the law, i.e. jail time.
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For those interested in Nordic coins, the royal coin cabinet museum in Stockholm is loaded by with them as well as other coins of the world and even plate money and paper money. There are several exhibits with just piles of thousands of Viking era coins. Although many exhibits have English translations not all of them do. It was hard to find and the locals in Stockholm are not very helpful to tourists.
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I think the U.S. looks at its patrimony differently....
Coins? Not so much, I think. Though I's sure there are regulations about how property rights for hoards are determined. If Mel Fischer were alive he might beg to differ. |
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I cannot help but notice that rare EF silver of this period tends towards the pricey
Pieces selling at auction for $24k US
Dealer price ? Who knows
How many coins are in this great hoard ?
500£ might represent just 20 pieces of silver !
People seizing contraband have a way of inflating numbers to "street value"
I don't mean to diminish the offense but .....
This "hoard" might well be pocket sized
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06/02/2019 08:28 am
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These fall under 'treasure trove' as they are silver, older than 300 years and there is more than 1 - if a find falls under the Treasure Act, it must be reported to a Coroner. Any 'Treasure Trove' is property of the Crown, but a committee of experts called the 'Treasure Valuation Committee' meets regularly to discuss the market value of treasure - the items are then offered to museums at that price and the Crown typically distributes the proceeds to the finder and/or land owner. Reporting a find doesn't put you out of pocket, but it does provide museums the opportunity to acquire provenanced treasures for their store rooms and exhibits. We shall see the extent of the coins' values when they go before the Treasure Valuation Committee - the minutes of which are publicly available here: https://finds.org.uk/treasure/minutes |
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