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My list for coins for every country list West Prussia as a province of Poland issuing coins in this period.
However, I cannot find any source which shows any of these coins.
This territory was distinct from the Duchy of Prussia and the Margraviate of Brandenburg, of which I know what the coins look like.
Can anyone provide a picture or reference for an actual coin of this entity? All my general references like MA shops do not narrow things down enough to be helpful.
If this confuses you, you probably don't know the answer!
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@spence, that vcoins image looks like what I am looking for. Thanks!
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@oriole, the history of this region in the time period you mention is indeed rather complicated. If you are not talking about the coins issued under Albert as Duke of Prussia, then indeed, it might be coins from Torun (the link provided by @spence), or Elbing, which were former Prussian cities that came under the Polish crown in the late 1400s. The Torun groats and trojaks have an image of the King of Poland, but the Elbing coins do not. Here is an example: https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...3a5c9dfbdd3dStarting in the 1580s, there are also coins minted in Marienburg, another former Prussian city, under the Polish crown. It's confusing to say the least. Edited by tdziemia
03/23/2019 2:22 pm
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It seems West Prussia is also sometimes called "Royal Prussia" to more clearly define its status relative to the Duchy of Prussia and the Margravate of Brandenburg. While not dealing directly with numismatics, this Wikipedia article may provide some useful context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Prussia. Edited by Kushanshah
03/23/2019 9:33 pm
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In the wiki article, we see the eagle with a sword on the coat of arms of Royal Prussia / West Prussia. During the period mentioned by the OP, you will find this emblem on on most coins minted in Torun:  some from Elbing:  and some of the coins minted in Gdansk:  Always the main heading will be Poland, or Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Edited by tdziemia
03/23/2019 11:06 pm
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Bumping this thread to post some recent acquisitions which pertain to the topic. Though the OP was looking for coins from the 16th century, these are not the earliest coins issued by West Prussia/Royal Prussia under Polish rule. That rule formally began in the reign of Kazimierz IV (1447-1492), cemented in the 1466 treaty of Thorn (Torun in Polish). During his rule, the right to mint was granted to the cities of Thorn and Danzig. According to Gumowski, these cities began minting coins in the name of the Polish king in 1457 (and the city of ELbing followed suit without being granted the right) with the Prussian sword-wielding eagle on one side, and the city coat of arms on the other. I just completed my set of these three types (there are many variants of each): Thorn/Torun (city emblem is the double barred cross; photo by Emporium Hamburg):  Danzig/Gdansk (city emblem is two small Maltese crosses surmounted by a crown; photos by Marciniak):   Elbing/Elblag (city emblem is two small Maltese crosses on a crosshatched background; photos by WCN):  Edited by tdziemia
05/31/2019 08:28 am
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Since you guys know Polish coins, I was photographing this Polish coin the other day (I listed it as a 1447 Denar: Eagle/Crown 12 mm, 0.38 g, hopefully that is correct)and I wondered when the Poles first started using this type of the Eagle on coins, spread wings this way etc. Interesting someone was talking about it so I thought I'd just ask.   |
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I think the crown - eagle devices began in the reign of Casimir the Great, 1333-70. It endured on minor silver coins for at least 300 years.
A couple of us have reference books that cover medieval Polish denars, so we should be able to confirm that. With a little digging. 1447 would be the beginning of the reign of Casimir IV (same reign as the coins I posted yesterday). I don't think many Polish denars from this era are attributable to a narrower date range than the reign.
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06/01/2019 3:28 pm
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ON this thread http://goccf.com/t/329294&SearchTerms=Poland you'll find a coin similar to yours posted by @spence toward the bottom of page 4, and attributed as a denar of Wladyslaw III (1434-44). But denars of the next ruler, Casimir IV (1447-92) are very similar. @spence may be able to narrow it down better than I can. Edited by tdziemia
06/02/2019 08:19 am
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