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1851 Three Cent Silver - Grade Opinions Sought

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This is one of the few coins I have personally submitted to PCGS years ago. Just wondering what your thoughts on the grade are. There are many die polish lines but it came back as tooled and I still cannot figure out where the tooling is.

These are new images with my new imaging system for those of you who may remember when I first posted it years ago. I can provide closeups of any areas that you would like to see.,

Let me know what YOU grade it at (and if you see any tooling). Thanks!


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I hate going first! MS something! Very nice!! !
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no clue. Mushy strike but nice coin. Maybe the die gouges in the shield?
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I would grade it MS62-MS63 but the shield lines look re-engraved or otherwise altered. Maybe it's just me. It might be worth a crackout and "blind" resubmit.
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on both the obverse and reverse I am seeing parallel lines, both horizontal and vertical on both the fields and the devices. if they were die polishing marks they should be on the fields and not the devices. they are faint, but there. looks like a rotary tool with a fine gauge may have been used on the surface of the coin. surface does not look mint original to me.
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MS62. the scratches between the vertical lines of the shield should not be there. quite possibly the cause of the tooled designation. I don't see anything else wrong
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Die polishing? I'll say 63, very attractive.
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This was a very heavily polished die.

Thank you paralyse! I rechecked the shield in hand, and while the vertical lines are correct, I did notice a slight disturbance in the upper right corner of the shield that is most likely tooling. I would not have caught that without everyones help refocusing in.

I had personally graded it MS61/62 Obverse, MS 63 Reverse: Net 62.
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Has a few blurry marks on the holder for a new submission. That might be hiding something.
It would be nice if the TPGs gave better explanations on their details grades.
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