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On another thread, the new NGC program offering "expert advice" on ebay items is being discussed discussed, and I decided to give it a try. Here is the response I got from NGC today on this item which still has several days to run: Dear -----,
An NGC expert has reviewed your request for this listing:
Fine Silver Denier Henry I, Duke of Brabant circa 1190 - 1235 AD (M156)
ebay Item Number: 323857540299
RESULTS:
Authenticity Opinion: Likely Not GenuineSharing this opinion in case anyone on the forum is looking at this item. I encourage anyone else who uses this service to share the results on CCF. |
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@tdz, either the listing has been pulled or there is a broken link. You didn't take screen shots of that piece did you? I'm thinking best is to also post the images here for posterity.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Interesting ... The item was still there a few hours ago, when I posted the result on the TPG subforum. It indeed looks as though it now has been pulled, as its vanished from my watch list, too. I will say that this coin has all the same features that made me suspicious: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Great-Silv...AOSwwrlcrjZxBoth were being offered by U.K. sellers. |
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Ok well I here are the pics from that second auction. @GC, I'm not super-familiar with this series so I would be interested to understand what makes this piece so obviously a fake. Thx.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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I can make these comments based on the design: - the banner obv is about half as long as catalog examples and recent auction examples. The staff to which it is attached is positioned farther left than other examples. - reverse, there should not be annulets in all four corners of the cross (only 2, the other 2 being a differnt geometric motif) Probably others are seeing other tells. Here is the real deal: https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=l...=525&lot=693 |
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Edited by Kushanshah
07/17/2019 02:33 am
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Interesting. It seems the NGC "expert" is being very conservative in their opinion of what looks like a very easily identifiable 100% fake. I wouldn't have known, but with a comparison pic of the real deal, it's completely obvious. I agree, we need to test this service and post results on CCF to evaluate its worth. @kushanshah Your link doesn't work for me. It seems all of their listings have been removed.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
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07/17/2019 01:19 am
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Ok thx @tdz for the explanation. I expect my Ghyssens to arrive in the next week or two and then I'll be able to compare for myself.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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Interesting. It seems the NGC "expert" is being very conservative in their opinion of what looks like a very easily identifiable 100% fake. The service just provides 4 standard responses: likely genuine, likely not genuine, inconclusive, not eligible. No explanation, just one of these answers Quote:
The seller of the second coin seems to specialize in ridiculous fakes. ...which often get a dozen or more bids and sell upwards of $50  Edited by tdziemia
07/17/2019 08:20 am
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I've seen these before, and as a newbie foolishly almost bid on one. Major red flag is a seller who is peddling dozens of rare coins from many different centuries and cultures, yet they all have the same general fabric and appearance - that is, struck in soft metal (lead?) with crudely copied dies.
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Edited by tdziemia
08/03/2019 08:25 am
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The 1756 ort appears to have some some graininess on the surface. Yes looks cast to me. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
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"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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OK, I pulled the trigger on NGC authentication with the 1555 Groschen.
The 1562 trojak sold Saturday for $101 with 26 bids.
The 1756 ort is up to $62 with 21 bids and ends tomorrow.
The 1555 groschen would go for over $500 or more at an auction house.
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Result obtained in under 24 hrs from NGC: Dear -----,
An NGC expert has reviewed your request for this listing:
Poland Grosz litewski 1555 Zygmunt II August silver coin Grossus
ebay Item Number: 123859630543
RESULTS:
Authenticity Opinion: Likely Genuine
Grade Opinion: N/AThe item location is given as Poland in the listing, but the seller's location is given as Belarus. This makes me suspicious, but I'm certainly less an expert than the NGC folks. If genuine, I suspect the winner will get a bargain. The best looking example of this coin I could find sold for 700 euros at auction this year, or something like $900 including a typical auction premium. https://www.coinarchives.com/w/lotv...81d6b2ed3b67 And this one us even sharper. |
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