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1776-1976 Bicentennial Quarter DDR & 2018 Dime - Opinions Please?

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Hello again. I can see that this is a Doubled Die but I can only see it with a 2x + magnifier. My my eyes are bad though.

The question is.. Is it enough to classify it as such? If so, would you send it to PCGS?

Thanks for the use of your knowledge!




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 Posted 07/27/2019  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gincoin43 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that is Machine Doubling not a double die, but you might want to wait for someone with more knowledge.
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That is what is known as high bounce MD. Unfortunately it is not a doubled die.
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You guys rock.. and darnit! ;)
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I think Machine Doubling. Looks like there might be a minor die crack or die marker off the M there. Still a good catch though. might have been the genuine article.
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New question... Is it the sharp edges that clues to MD? If not could I get an idea of what to look for to determine a MD vs a Doubled Die?

Thanks again.. John
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The devices are reduced in Machine Doubling,ie the doubled devices are reduced by the doubling not enlarged. As I understand it it happens because something moves. A double die has the doubling on the die and produces a copy of the doubled devices. Coop has a page explaining it but I don't have it bookmarked.
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CoinAddictiin, there are two types of MD. One is where the devises have a flat shelf like appearance. This is caused by the die being a little loose causing the die to shift one way leaving that shelf like flattened appearance. The other is a high bounce MD. This is caused when the die strikes the coin it bounces ever so slightly and when the die comes back down it doesn't land in the same spot as where it landed on the initial strike. The high bounce is what I am seeing on your coin. On a true Doubled Die the devise will be rounded at the tops and have a split in the serifs, the devises will not be flattened or reduced in size.
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Perfect explanations! Thanks for your help. I will go through this next x,xxx coins and let's see if the next posted is a real one !)
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Well, just when I thought I had it all figured out I ran across this 2018 dime with it on might near EVERYTHING on both sides.. My amateur eyes almost see both Machine Doubling and Double Die.. What does the trained eyeballs see?


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CoinAddiction,
Click on the blue highlighted Machine Doubling.
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MD, it helped me to look at other posts on here that had true double dies, they are obviously different after you look at enough.

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Has any one check variety vista for dime doubled dies after 1972? Almost non existent. Just a few years have them. Pretty much a waste of time on them.
Obverse DDO:
http://www.varietyvista.com/07%20Ro...Listings.htm
Reverse DDR:
http://www.varietyvista.com/07%20Ro...Listings.htm
RPMs:
http://www.varietyvista.com/07%20Ro...intmarks.htm
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MD, it helped me to look at other posts on here that had true double dies, they are obviously different after you look at enough



Exactly what I have been doing the last couple hrs.. on variety vista. It does help a lot to see the real thing enough.

@Coop all of your Machine Doubling pics have helped a lot for comparison.. (I found an awesome new quarter I posted on there.)

I think the biggest issue would be noobs like me buying a microscope right off the bat. All morning every coin I seen had Doubling haha... I didn't have that issue with the little magnifier I was using..
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If you've enjoyed looking at images, how about looking at threads that help with different topics? These have hundreds of image on them, and will probably take a week to read. But they are all directed to a topic and what to look for and what is out there that is not collectable.
http://goccf.com/t/265641&whichpage=2

Also note on my signature line below, there are numbers 1-5 of videos on youtube that have around one thousand images with various themes. I call this my "Coin Fishin', what to keep and what to throw back" videos. They are in 20 minute segments, two hours total. You will also find these interesting. The links are just below this message.

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