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This is a small bronze coin, 13mm and 1 gram. It came with a small scrap of paper with some details that I tried researching with no luck. Is this some kind of Roman Provincial coin? Any ideas?

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Just maybe to help or hinder there seems to be a symbol above the elephant maybe a Ciliarch crown...? Also maybe Seleukid Kings of Syria?
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It looks like a small L and Z over the elephant. The notes that were supplied seem to indicate there are other letters that were cut off. No idea how accurate the notes are...
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Jay beat me to it. Likely L-Z. Might be from Alexandria. For comparison to the reverse of a Trajan, dated L-Z, from that mint:


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@jay, not my area of expertise, but it kinda looks like you have a Dichalkon of Alexandria (RPC3 4823; Emmett 719; SNG France 1206) issued under Trajan. If so, then there is some discussion about whether that animal is an elephant or a rhino. This coin has LIZ on the rev.


Added: I always like to see that my best guess aligns well with the correct answer from @bobL!
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@Bob That coin looks pretty similar! Do you or Spence have a link to info about these Trajan coins.
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Cool. That's definitely it! Thank you!
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Here's one at RPC, assuming the link works:
https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/4171
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Good call Bob and Spence ....I was so far out!
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Here's another one (I did a little shopping this weekend :) I think this is also provincial but not sure. One side says "CARESERD" the other says "MAN" and possibly "OIAV". It's 2.3 grams and 17mm.
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Shoot....looks like it's in the fake reports...

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What are the fake reports?
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looks like it's in the fake reports...


That could explain the puffy letters and remaining details.
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They are invaluable resources - databases - that list fakes of ancient coins.

There is one at Forumancientcoins.com and another at the forgerynetwork.com.


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