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Need Some Help With This Possible 2017-P 1˘ WWHO-002

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 Posted 08/09/2019  12:48 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The devices in LIBERTY go from super thick on the left of LIBERTY to paper thing by the time they get to Y in Liberty, also a slight spread on the date on the 2 and the 0. thanks for any input guys

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 Posted 08/09/2019  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep, you have it.
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 Posted 08/09/2019  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice thanks for the feedback Errers, would you agree on 2017-P 1˘ WWHO-002 Doubled Working Hub?
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 Posted 08/09/2019  01:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well on die wear, the devices closer to the rim will suffer the strongest wear. The constant movement is in what direction? Push starts from the central areas outward towards the rims. So it is common to see this even on hubs.we know what dies wear is, but hubs are also affected as well. Case in point? Quarters. The motto on these usually shows the in letters as small than the outer letters. Tail feathers on the reverse design is often weak even on fresh dies. The hubs are to blame, even the master hub. Why? The die wear we see so often is caused by what? Die usage. So hubs can also suffer from over usage. But these are created each year. But guess what? The are created by the same master hub, for years. While the master hub creates on master die per year, it does wear out in time. When a new master hub is created, the devices on all dies improve. Case in point, this week a 1942-D quarter, was missing the raised initials on the edge of the bust. So trying to find an example on PCGS with the initials, there were no examples on business strikes or proof coins showing strong initials. So I checked back several years and it was a trend to not show the initials. So I checked on the 1943 quarters and all of them had fresh looking initials. So checking Variety Visa about the designs and how information was hard to find, I submitted to James Wiles about my discovery and I felt there was a new master hub created that year. He texted back, there was a new master hub that year. So after reviewing this information in my head a while, we may often consider die wear, need to consider hub and master hub wear as well. Thus the 1964-D type C reverse was a view master hub to be used in 1965 forward dies. So the dies look a lot fresher on those coins. Just something about dies, hubs and the master die that came to mind.
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 Posted 08/09/2019  01:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow great info coop that's awesome I never thought about it that way that as the master hub creates new hubs it also deteriorates. Do you feel that is the case here with the 2017-P 1˘ WWHO-002 Doubled Working Hub or this example I posted? I do see some 2017 P with such crisp lines on all the devices
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I'll have to check back tomorrow. I'm using a tablet right now. I need to be on the computer so I can see this before. But die wear is showing some on your coin. So I'll check you better tomorrow.
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Looks more like a case of extreme die wear. If you light is too strong it can distort you images. They looked wide, but they are just real close to normal. Spendable coin, but it is a special event that year. Do you know what it was?
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 Posted 08/09/2019  02:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great thanks coop!
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to the CCF!
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 Posted 08/09/2019  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinTheTerm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Coinfrog!
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