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Is This Coin Cleaned And How Do You Tell? 1892 S Morgan Dollar

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I can tell cleaning on some coins but hit or miss with this lighting ...

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Far from being AU, it is a severely dipped XF40 at best. In other words, chemically cleaned, not wiped/scrubbed.

The uniform color, lack of any toning or circulation patterns, etc is a dead giveaway. It is not "rare", either.

A TPG would probably call it XF details / cleaned / damaged (gouge on the obverse at NU in UNUM)
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I don't like it . Too much wear with a sheen appearance . EF-40 details .
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Dipped to death. Ugly coin. Really ugly coin.
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Might even be closer to VF details, severely overdipped.
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Oversold in the description, to the level of being a lie.

"VF, details cleaned." is how is should have been described.
Rare? Definitely not in the condition as pictured.
Some may say: 'Somewhat scarce'.
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thank you everyone I continue to learn. Question based on what the comments said. I would guess that many many slabbed coins have been dipped, maybe not overly so, but I would think it is basically unnatural for any coin 100+ years old to not have some toning? And I have been told that the grading companies dip coins when you send them for restoration, so are you expecting some degree of restoration dipping or buying a very toned coin? I would think the blast white coin that has never been dipped is rare to the point of almost impossible to find?
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Very true, In fact back in the day it was considered acceptable to clean your silver coins. Naturally some people to it to extremes and polished them as well. But that's the way it was.
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. I would think the blast white coin that has never been dipped is rare to the point of almost impossible to find?


Not at all especially with Morgan's. Morgan bags and hoards that were sealed by the mint are found and opened fairly regularly and there's plenty of completely blast white coins in those bags.

While it's true that some white coins were dipped just because something is blast white doesn't mean it was dipped, just as something being dark doesn't mean it's original. There's no real absolutes for this when it comes to coins. Some coins tone other don't even within the same series.

Just look at some old coin albums. Some coins will be toned maybe even wildly while others will look like they were just put in yesterday.
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Basebal says it well.
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Cleaned and polished. Original coins do not look "shiney".
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Nasty customer for sure.



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I would say its cleaned and rubbed as well you can tell it just by looking at stars.

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