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2019 W Mint Mark Quarters In "Almost Proof" Condition

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Saw a video on youtube talking about this. It said that these quarters will be minted this year only, such as the LOWELL quarter. So.,,How can I detect an "almost proof "condition.?I have a few Kennedy halves that are NIFC..would this be the same as "almost proof'?

Thanks in advance
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Not sure what you mean? Can you post a link to the YouTube video or to a source?
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A proof would have a 'S' mint on them. Not sure about the 'W' West point coins if they are proof or not?
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Here is the video link
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I watched most of the video, and I have to say don't concern yourself with this. It's all marketing and none of the quarters will retain value.

As far as finishes, the Mint has the capability to reliably apply any desired finish to coins. PL, as it applies to coins like Morgans, means nothing today. If anything, it was intentional on any quarters. I don't believe any modern coin, especially 2019, should receive a PL designation.
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I don't believe any modern coin, especially 2019, should receive a PL designation.

I respectfully disagree. I have found a few LSC's that are proof-like in appearance. Also,I think NGC has started to put on their labels PL.
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Look. I watched the video. NGC has been grading State Quarters and park quarters as "PL" or "proof like" for the past 20 years. They are the only grading company doing it.

PCGS grades some with a "+" meaning it has exceptional eye appeal for its grade. It's basically the same thing just different terms and identifiers between the companies.

Proof like was a term used for some Morgan dollars without hazing on the fields. DmPL or deep mirror proof like is also a descriptor when it's highly reflective in the fields. You also find this on Franklin half dollars.

NGC has used it on quarters, I don't know why except as a marketing gimmick is all I can think of to denote "a better than average coin of that grade". Visually I don't see a difference worthy of PL like I see on Franklin half's or Morgan dollars.

Longest story short, this is nonsense. NGC grades a small percentage of every design and every grade of quarter as PL and it's up to them what gets it and who doesn't and it's got very little to do with mirrored fields and frosted devices when it comes to the quarters. Seems like it's how white the devices are compared to the whiteNess of the fields in how they do it but again it's not a dramatic difference like it is with Morgan's for instance.

These you tubers need views to make money, well that an selling seaching half dollar rolls on live streams to suckers also.

NGC "PL" quarters are like PCGS quarters graded with a "+" after the grade. The graders feEl it's in the top 10% of coins they've seen for eye appeal and it's a real gamble for them to give it to you with a + or a PL.
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When I refer to a PL on a modern coin like the LSC,I mean a brilliant proof. No cameo of any type. E.G. 2019-D LSC PL,brilliant, minimal to no water spots-dings-scuffs etc.
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Maybe this clears up how and why NGC does it, pretty much though they will "prooflike" any Mint state coin, buuuut... what you may think is proof like they may not think so, it's their opinion not yours that matters it seems.
https://www.NGCcoin.com/news/articl...p-prooflike/

They say something like "strike character" or reflectivity and it appears to be their judgement call on whether it gets it or not, they don't seem to have any scientific method involved like a spectrometer or reflectometer.

So can you find one? Maybe. Will they agree with you if you think it is? Maybe... Maybe not. Totally their call.
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Even the term proof LIKE, is admitting it is not a proof coin. Just another way to call attention to a coin to try to make more money on a coin they are selling. Make up a name and trying to get more money has been done for years. Experienced coin collectors don't fall for hyped up coins. It is the new collectors who fall for these ploys.
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I went through around 600 2019-D LSC's from UNC rolls and kept about 5 that "I" call PL. They are way above average in eye appeal and deserve the attention of a PL label.No hype, but those 5 stand above the other 595 that I re-wrapped and turned in.
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A coin struck from a BRAND NEW die will not have flowlines and the first few strikes will show PL surfaces. As microscopic flowlines form on the surface of the die the PL surfaces disappear. How many strike this will that? I don't know, but I would suspect a lot fewer strikes on nickel alloys than on the softer silver coins.
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