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Man, I have no idea. But I love it! No idea what you call it, Planchet flaw? Some kind if Cud? Others will know. It's definitely an error coin that happened during the minting process. Nice pick-up!! Edited by USSID18
10/21/2019 5:36 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Huh. No clue. Ill check back to see what E&V and/or Coop has to say. Or anyone, for that matter.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Edited by coop
10/21/2019 7:41 pm
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 Sure beats me. |
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Russian Federation
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Makes me wonder if there was a hole in the coin and was soldered over that area on both sides?  this, followed by a lot of wear, sounds the most plausible to me. A mint error probably wouldn't result in a cud-like thing on both sides like that. But it's not like I know much about exotic mint errors... |
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A major delamination of the die(s), not the coin. Part of the die face has actually fallen off, much like a minor Cud. Pity it is so worn; it is a major error. Re cut date (probably 8 over 3 for a variety), helps. Individual error coins were manually searched for and discarded for re melt by mint employees, in the era in which this coin was made. Therefore, it escapes my reasoning as to why this coin escaped into circulation and remained so, until being worn down to the condition in which it now happens to be. |
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As you can see on an overlay, the affected areas are back to back. More like there was a hole in the coin and it was filled. That sounds like a theory. The must have like the reverse better than the obverse to show. (More design)
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I think it's a Cud of some sort. Or maybe some for of duel mirrored die damage? I dunno. |
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Questions: 1. Why would the trench area next to the rim be filled on both sides of the coin. Altered coin. 2. When was the last time you've seen a straight Cud on both sides of the coin? Edited by coop
10/21/2019 7:56 pm
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Almost looks like someone tried to cut it with some kind of snips
Tim Hughes
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Possibly the dies came together with a hard straight edged object between the causing die dent damage to both dies. That would result in that area of the dies being further apart resulting in a straight edged area of weakness on both sides.
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Thanks to everyone for your thoughts. I too cannot figure it out. I would love to be able to say for sure that this coin is altered, but I have a nagging doubt. Just the fact that the date is in a depression, and so are the leaves on the reverse, and, if you look carefully, you can see these things rising to the "top".As to a hole- while I have no doubt there are people who can make a hole disappear like magic, I have checked carefully, under very high magnification, and have found no remainder of sanding, buffing, etc. The weight, as I originally stated, is 2.2 grams of a possible 2.5 grams. The coins' wear could account for the loss. Maybe I should submit it to Fred Weinberg? Thanks again for the help.
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If the coin was soldered, the metal might not be a match. Any difference on those areas? Lighter or darker, or appearing to be different?
As for Fred to look at it you might send him some images and see what he thinks? I don't have his email address. Or Mike Diamond might know something. (But if this is the only coin with that issue, then it may just be damage)
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10/22/2019 10:21 pm
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coop, I did contact Fred Weinberg, and he asked me to send my pictures. I am waiting for a reply. While waiting I checked http://www.error.com and under part IV :Die Breaks produced by impact there is a great picture of a dime with the same raised surface on both sides . If you check it out, It might be a way to explain my coin's anomaly. I would have placed the picture here, but do not know how. |
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Are you talking about one like this?  This is an obverse die break. The reverse is a weak strike because of the missing metal from the obverse die. All Cuds usually show a weakness on the reverses from the failure of the striking to form the opposite devices. It is like placing your 4 finger tips together with the opposite 4 on the other hand. Now tuck on finger into your palm. Note how the missing digit, does not press on anything without the digit present? Same with a Cud. Nothing there to cause the strike to happen on a area missing the opposite die resistance. Not the same thing that is going on with your coin. Make sure to post the information on the forum as an update for this thread. Edited by coop
10/27/2019 2:34 pm
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