Need Help Identifying These Coins Look Like Spanish Possible Shipwreck Coin

In fact, every single piece is NOT genuine. Most are imitations of Spanish Colonial or peninsular Spain cob types (or mashups of both)... piece #3, I think, wants to be imitative of a regional Spain issue (Valencia?)... which is curious.

Now, the question: are these a one-time collector's weekend metalworking garage projects... or someone's grouping of contemporary counterfeits, presumably accrued alongside a collection of legit pieces, which somehow got cast off (maybe the collector just saw them as "old fakes").

As has been noted on here before... it can be a bit challenging with cobs to distinguish contemporary counterfeits from crude garage projects. My initial thought is that these are garage projects - similar stylistic features but on disparate types.

What other types of coins were at the sale?

"yes hello I know nothing about what I'm looking at but I dont believe short answers because that answer dont sound good and everyones a schemer but I dont want to do any of my own homework please teach me everything from scratch..."

For anyone with the slightest familiarity with various iterations of cob coinage, it's immediately obvious that the design elements on all of these pieces are generally cartoonish compared to regal (aka genuine) designs... and more simply do not match any styles from any given mint/period.

As I said, could be contemporary counterfeits, could be modern imitative copies... leaning towards the latter. They are simply NOT genuine regal emissions.



Feel free to Google images of Mexico cob coinage, Potosi shield cobs, Seville cobs, Toledo cobs, etc... but understand that it's not ANYTHING like a genuine vs. fake 1893-S Morgan... there are HUNDREDS of varieties of cob coinage over 200+ years!

I have also purchased a sea salvaged coin yesterday from a silver dealer. The weight is 22.6g. The mintmark and assayer are not alligned.

What do you think about it?

Thank you!

So, call me a cornholio, but I'm never super inclined to get to great lengths to educate when someone is obviously a flipper/dealer and really just wants their homework done for them.

I DON'T, however, just talk out my butt... be assured that what I told you is dead on. Also, tdziemia gave you all you need to do some quick and dirty comparison (also swap "Mexico", and also Seville, Toledo, Spain, etc. for Bolivia for more types).

Will say this - I do appreciate you posting decent pics of everything, as it IS an interesting group to study.

And for giggles, I'll give a few specific observations:

-- Coins 6 and 7 LOOK to be from the same dies. It would be odd (not impossible, but odd) to come across two CONTEMPORARY (from that time) counterfeits from the same dies in modern times

-- Coin 1 very much speaks to a modern hand with some colector's knowledge of cobs. Note that a good bit of the king's name is clearly struck... this wouldn't typically be something which attention would be paid to for someone making counterfeits back then.

-- The edges on several pieces look filed down in a way that's most typical of modern copies

realswatcher:

Thank you very much! I was weary because of the proliferatiob of Chinese made pillars. Thank you for new knowledge in the cobs here in the philippines.

Regards,
Abe