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Need Help Identifying / Authenticating Chinese Silver Sycee / Bar

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 Posted 10/27/2019  1:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add blucrz to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello

Many years ago, I picked up a sycee / bar in China. I bought it for fun / hope, but didn't pay a lot for it and promptly forgot about it. Yesterday I was cleaning out the shed and found it again. I have no idea if it is worth anything either from the Silver(?) content or historical worth.

It passes the magnet test: IE there is no magnetic attraction.
Weight is 1641g. (1kg-641g) It's heavy.
Dimensions are 130mm x 90mm x 30mm
Picked it up at a flea market in China around 2006.
No paperwork at all.
Google translate THINKS it saw the word "Marriage" somewhere.

That is all I know so far. Pics included. I'm embarrassed to admit that I am guessing about the orientation of the lettering! Any help even translating it would be appreciated!
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@bc, first welcome to CCF. Second, I'm going to recommend to the mods that your thread be moved over to the world coin section of CCF so that the right eyeballs see it. I'm not one of those people, although the pebbled pattern on the bottom is not one that I have seen before.

I think that one important step will be to get a confirmation of the alloy. You might be able to get that from a local coin shop or pawn shop, but for trace elements you'll probably need to get to know a professor at a local university or college.
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 Posted 10/28/2019  12:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The color looks weird, being that you bought it in China, I'd be very careful as well........lots of counterfeits
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Interesting piece. If this is silver (and I can't say it is or isn't) then one troy ounce is 31.1 g, so 1641 g would be 52.76 troy oz. At today's spot bid price of $18.10 per troy oz, the bullion value of this item would be about $955. It seems it would be worth it to get the metal content checked. If genuine, there might also be some numismatic value. Sorry I can't help with any other identification on this. Going just by the appearance and nonmagnetic quality, it could conceivably be another metal such as zinc or lead. Hopefully some of our members will be able to read it for you and have some knowledge of this type of bar.
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I am by no means an expert. This thing claims to be from emperor Guang Xu weighing 50 liang. Your 1641g/50 gives about 33g per liang. The liang measurement in the Qing dynasty is a bit hazy and you'll find numbers that vary from about 36g/liang and up. So your sycee seems to be a bit underweight. I've never seen a bottom like that either. If it's real it'll be worth money for the silver alone, but I'd get it checked out.

Keep in mind that during imperial China 1 liang silver would translate to more than 1000 cash coins, and a pound of meat would be about 20 cash. If that thing is real, you could buy a good chunk of land with it back in the day. Therefore I don't hold out for much hope, but do report back. :)
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