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Unknown Coin, Possibly South Asia, Likely Fake, But Need Help With ID

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 Posted 11/02/2019  9:21 pm Show Profile   Check tropicalbats's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add tropicalbats to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A coin dealer I trust gave me this one for my counterfeit collection. I forgot to ask what the heck it is as we were doing a lot of business that day.

So, I ask here: While I assume this is a fake, I would like to label it correctly in my collection so any help with a country/year/denomination would be much appreciated.

Size about that of an Ike dollar

24.25g weight
36.8mm diameter
non-magnetic

Sorry if pics are not oriented correctly but have no idea what is front/back up/down.

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 Posted 11/02/2019  10:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinBuffalo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks to be this one here https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21039.html

Can't say whether or not it's a fake but it's a pretty neat coin
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 Posted 11/02/2019  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To expand and clarify a little on what Numista states there:

Country: the Kingdom of Hejaz, one of the precursor states to what we now call Saudi Arabia. It comprised the eastern coastline of the Red Sea, including the Islamic holy cities of Mecca and Medina. The coin claims to be "struck in Mecca", though I'm not sure it actually was.

Denomination: the denomination actually stated on the coin is "twenty qirsh". The Arabic word "qirsh" is often translated into English as "piastre" or "piaster", so it may appear in catalogues under that name too - the Krause catalogues call it "20 piastres". Also, in the monetary system then in use in Hejaz, 20 qirsh equalled 1 riyal, so it is in effect a "1 riyal" coin.

Date: The coin is dated "1334", in the Islamic calendar, a year which began on 9th November 1915 and ended on 28th October 1916. Hejaz did not become an independent kingdom until June 1916, so "1916" is the best translation of the date. The coin also bears a "regnal date" on it, Year 8. This coin comes in two varieties, Year 8 and Year 9, with Year 9 being scarcer (as the "1334/9" period only lasted from the 8th to the 28th of October 1916).

The coin is quite scarce, and would be worth considerably more than its bullion value in this condition, if genuine. Here's the NGC catalogue page for it.
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That's it! I compared all the little details right down to thickness and shape of things and it's a match. Now on to the research of why it was labeled a fake. I enjoy doing this stuff, but had absolutely no idea where to start with this one.

Thanks a herd CoinBuffalo!

Was able to find a couple sites that sell fakes of these, one site stamped "copy" on it and the other did not. Can't post those links as the autoboot killed them when I tried, apparently to keep people from being led into buying fake coins.

All good as I am learning a lot here. Thanks Sap for the information as super interesting and helpful.

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