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Yunnan Dragon Dollar Y-254 Lm-418 Followup

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 Posted 10/28/2019  04:38 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 0xDA71D to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This is a followup of my previous forum post in http://goccf.com/t/358095.
Against the advice of many on this forum, I went through with the transaction and paid the seller. I got the coin today. This is the result.

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 Posted 10/30/2019  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mkman123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is it real though?
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 Posted 10/30/2019  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Toning looks very consistent with the modern super counterfeits out in the market.
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 Posted 10/30/2019  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a great pity with Chinese crown sized silver coins.
As a result of their wholesale faking and counterfeiting, they have really soiled their bed.
I just don't trust them anymore.

Even if they are genuine.

Their chickens have come home to roost.
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 Posted 11/01/2019  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Chinese coin market is like the wild west now, anything goes.

Had some iffy looking Dragon Dollars showed it to a Chinese dealer and he bought them. Paid up to.

Did I do the wrong thing ?

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How iffy was iffy?
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Weight was right but cleaned and not graded, so I wasn't sure.
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There was a video in which a Chinese dealer/expert mentioned that the counterfeiters fake Chinese dollars using real silver to make it harder to detect. Only slabbed for me honestly if I get any Chinese coins
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I use to buy genuine Dragon dollars in the $8-10 range back in the 80's. Now I won't touch one for any price.
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It's the Chinese mentality. They don't really care whether a coin is fake or not. They care that it can make them lots of money.

I live in China and the company I work for just opened a new school. It's falling apart already. I moved into a new (well it's second hand) flat and the workmanship is so poor it's beyond belief. Windows don't fit the hole they're in. The curtain railing has been stuffed with toilet paper at each end.

They don't care about quality, they don't care about anything unless it makes them a quick buck.

10 years ago kids were dying from having tainted milk because it they could say it was high in calcium (which makes your kids stronger, therefore they'll earn more money later) but the way they got the higher calcium killed people. Toxic school uniforms was a problem too.

Things won't change in these regards I think.

What is changing is that the CCP is worrying a little bit more about people selling fake stuff. The richer China gets, the more Chinese companies will want to protect themselves, and if those large companies who have CEOs in the Chinese "parliament", then the more the CCP will listen to them.

Then again, I can see some other country making fakes and selling them to Chinese rich who want to make a fast buck (or kuai) on coins in the future.
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Chinese society priority as follow: Reputation > Profit > Ethics.

Essentially that's how all issues get buried. The only way they get raised is when it becomes a wide spread issue i.e. tainted food. Copyright? That's clearly the lowest priority.

We can all lament about how easy it is to find counterfeits but a lot of crook sellers aren't any different these days.
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