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Comparison Of 1987 Anac Certs With ICG 2008 Certs

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1987 ANACS Certs vs 2008 ICG Certs

I posted this first in another forum, but thought it might be interesting to newcomers.

Probably some of more experienced collectors have seen these old, old ANACs certs and wondered how they compared. Here are 3 of mine I had certified by ANACs in 1987 and then sent into ICG this summer. The old certs did not slab the coin, just put it into a polyethylene sleeve into a stiff plastic flip paper clipped to the photos. Here is the first. A 1934-S Peace. Went from a 45/45 ( they graded each side separately) to a AU-55 , but added cleaning !

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Here is another :


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Here is the back of the cert on this one:
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And a last one :

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I was hoping of course that this one would come in as MS60, but maybe in another 20 years !

If you find these old certs at a show , look carefully! and consider.

Some might think this change to "market grading" might only apply to ICG, but I think many have found similar with the other TPGs .

Jim
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Those are modern ANA certs. The original ones didn't have any of that grading crap on them.

Before they took a good idea and flushed it, I actually made a tiny contribution to the start of ANACS. Betcha only one in a thousand collectors knows it started by collecting $50,000 for equipment.
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Hi Jim,
I appreciate your post. Many collectors would agree that grading standards in general have loosened up since the 1980's when PCGS and then NGC got started. I always give those "rattler" PCGS and the old NGC holders an extra look to see if I can find an upgrade candidate.

Here's my only old ANA-certified coin:

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I bought it from dealer John Hess who is the guy that first submitted it to ANACS back in 1986. You can't read his name on the cert (sorry about the crappy photo). He transferred the coin to this nifty Capitol holder which also displays the cert. ANACS called this one MS-60/MS-63 and I think it is very strong for that split grade.

Desertgem's certs also date from around 1986. I think he has supported his point: grading standards used by ANACS at that time were generally more strict than the "modern" standards used by TPGs today.
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