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1960 LMC Large Date Over Small Date?

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 Posted 09/27/2008  11:24 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cearnan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Any thoughts on this one?

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 Posted 09/28/2008  12:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

It is not a large date over small date, nor is it a small date over large date.

It looks like what I would expect a normal coin to look like.


Thanks,
Bill
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 Posted 09/28/2008  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cearnan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is another picture. This doesn't look like any of the other 1960 pennies I have seen.

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 Posted 09/28/2008  01:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
check the 1960P-1DO-003P. It is a large over small. I couldn't get it to open for a photo, but you can see tha "6" is not like your s. I would say it took a hit of some kind.
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 Posted 09/28/2008  01:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cearnan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, one last try. Here is the 9.


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 Posted 09/28/2008  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cearnan, checked my notes, this was a master die issue. You can also find doubling on 1960 cents caused by master die being doubled. Thus produced in great quantities that they have no value. As you can see, here is a 1960D with the same abnormity.

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 Posted 09/28/2008  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is part of the 1960 Small Date design. It is one of the things I look for when identifying them. Also, the Shorter tails on the 9 & 6 in the date. Here is an example of a Large over Small/RPM 1960D-1MM-100 Cent.

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Notice the mark on the mint mark is like Morgans Cent. That is usually the coin on the outside of a shotgun roll of Cents. It just wast gets hit during the closing of the paper wrap.
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 Posted 09/28/2008  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cearnan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all! This coin will no longer drive me nuts now that I know that this is a master die issue. MorgansRmine and Coop thank you for the great pictures.
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cearnan, I am with you in having learned a bit more. I did not know it was a Master die issue. Hope I did not mis-lead you. I just noticed I spelled your name wrong. I have a vision problem, so please indulge. You should see how I spwell my name, at times!
Dick
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09/29/2008 02:49 am
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 Posted 09/28/2008  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cearnan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No problem! It is nice to find out details like this. I am surprised that such "sloppiness" was used on the master die....
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There are plenty of 1960-D varieties! Here is one of my 1960D-1DO-001 /RPM 1960D-1MM-100. I think these will some day rival the 1972 DDO in desirability and demand. ( My own personal opinion)

Jim
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 Posted 09/29/2008  01:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cearnan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow Jim, that is dramatic!
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Jim, that is a nice shot of the "good" one! I agree, they willslowly become very sought after. I have a bunch of them, and keep everyone I find. I don't have a full set, but the fun is in looking!
Dick
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I buy everyone I can reasonably. Keep me in mind if you decide to reduce your
inventory .

Jim
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The little 'bit' on the inside of the 6 and the squared-off inside to the 9 on 1960 small date cents is NOT master die doubling. It's just a part of whatever procedure they used to make the design from which the master hub was created. Nobody knows for sure exactly what caused it, but it is definitely not master die doubling. By the way, all 1960 small date cents are like this to some degree. You will also find low relief squared off areas around some of the lettering in LIBERTY which is another part of the same anomaly.

The master die doubling on 1960 cents is on the large date coins and is in the E of WE.
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Thanks, Chuck! I knew there was something about that, but my memory is much shorter that a nanosecond, so much goes around, but verty little comes around. I'll make a PUP note of that, and keep it with my "little ones" How are you feeling today" Better, hopefully. BTW, did toou get thae letter I sent? My concern is whether there was enough postage. Thanks,
Dick
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