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This is a coin I own. It seems to be Pepin le Bref. I saw coins with similar observe side. But I didn't find any with such reverse side. I do have some doubts concerning weight, it is 1.65 gr and coin does look a little thick. But it does look authentic (though I never had in hands another Pepin's coin). Would appreciate any thoughts or more precise identification. Thanks!!   Edited by vstefanyuk
11/14/2019 5:38 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I am still waiting for the pleasure to hold a coin from Pepin the short, so I am not the ultimate expert here.  But I am doubtful about this one, it is too heavy and the design seems a little odd. Depeyrot in his inventory has no coins heavier than 1.47 g, and several are below 1 g. The design looks close to Nouchy 2 and Depeyrot 5, if you have the references (cannot find a picture of it on the Internet, it is quite rare I think). There you have PIPINVS on one side and FR on the other. On your coin it says RP, which would mean "Pepin" is present on both sides, and that is unlikely. The Pepin coins either have RP, RxP or something similar on one side and the mint name on the other, or (more unusual) some short form of PIPINUS on one side and RF for Rex Francorum on the other. One shouldn't rule out the possibility of a variant like yours, but the oddity of the inscription plus the overweight makes me think this is not an original Pepin le Bref coin. I would however welcome the views of others who are more knowledgeable on the subject. |
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@erafjel Thx!
Yeh, also have doubts... And paid for it significantly :(
Btw, I didn't measure weight by myself, so still could be it is lower. Will check when I have chance.
Besides, I didn't find yet coin with legend PIPINVS (at least on cgbfr), would appreciate if you could share.
Also, it is not exactly RxP here, isn't? Look at P.
Thanks, again!
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I found an old reference work that is available online and which is in the public domain: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/b...g.texteImageThe only coin with the inscription PIPINVS is this one (which is the same as Nouchy 2 and Depeyrot 5) <Source gallica.bnf.fr / Bibliothèque nationale de France>:  As you can see, the obverse is close to your coin, but the reverse differs, having F + a retrograd R. On your coin, there is some outgrowth on the P. I don't know what that could be - possibly a partial X? It doesn't look like anything I see on any Pepin coin listed in the above work or other works. |
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Netherlands
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@erafjel WOW! Thank you very much! :)
Also, similar 3 dots are there on both sides.
I impressed by knowledge of people on this forum!
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Unless this is an unlisted type I haven't been able to find any match to this coin, I'm also doubtful about it.
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Netherlands
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Actually, from the same seller I bought another coin. Which also seems to be Carolingian and though I can't identify it as well (also checked book provided by @erafjel) I feel much more confident about it. Both these coins were bought by seller from the same dealer in 80th. Seller is not specialized in coins and is not selling any fraud, so I would say he is honest.
Here are photo of second coin. Weight is 0.9 gr.
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11/14/2019 4:06 pm
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Netherlands
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Sweden
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This does not match any Carolingian coin, the inscriptions make no sense in that context. An A + additional lettering on one side could be a mint mark, but on the other side it should then be the name or monogram of the king, and neither side matches any Carolingian king.
To me this actually looks more like a fantasy piece than your first coin... (The pictures of your first coin seem to have been overwritten by this one, by the way.)
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Netherlands
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@erafjel that is sad in that case... :(
Fixed pictures, thanks for notifying.
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United States
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@vstefanyuk, I have been avidly following this thread as I don't know very much about this area of numismatics. Sorry that I can't add anything beyond agreeing that the texture of the first coin seems more authentic than the second and that your second photo of the second coin is upside down I think. It looks like a letter A in that monogram.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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United States
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Please crop your images so we can see more of the coin.   This is not a genuine coin. |
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Valued Member
Netherlands
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Will try to provide better photo within few weeks. It did feel good in hands. But I am not expert, could be wrong.
Thx!
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