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Valued Member
France
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Hi all, Recently, this coin (a Litra from Kentoripai) was put online by CGB, and I doubt very much about its authenticity. See the profile, and especially the nose, that looks "drawn", the head of the panther that doesn't look at all like a panther and the inscription that seems to be made by someone who cannot write Greek... What is your opinion?  |
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Valued Member
 France
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
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My novice opinion is that it is fake.  In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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It has none of the Classic natural beauty I would expect to see
I wouldn't touch it for more than $5 US ......... free shipping !
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I agree not my field of expertise but that one sure has the look of a modern copy. That's a dealer I would never buy anything from after seeing that in their inventory.
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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I don t think it is a fake coin , because CGB is a well known coin dealer in FGrance, but there is something special with this coin .
This coin has been sold in in 2011 for 950 € , in september 2019 not sold for 900€ and now on sale for 950 € . A similar coin has been sold in 2006 for 525 € with the same nose , head of the panther and inscription .
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Valued Member
Bulgaria
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Moderator
 United States
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I also agree not genuine.
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Pillar of the Community
Spain
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Ok I have no idea if the OP coin is real or fake but it certainly looks different....
So the forger stuck a nice big star on the underside of the leopard so we all new except for David Sear!?.....I'm obviously missing something here it cant be that simple, can someone explain in layman's terms please....Paul
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Valued Member
France
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Thank you for all your reactions. The page from numisfakes is really interesting. Thank you Iulius. I must say that I am amazed myself. How could David Sear validate such a bad imitation ?
Like Palouche, I don't really understand what the apparent overstroke of the star is supposed to convey...I would like more explanations, if possible...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That is unsettling to know the CNG coin had David Sear's stamp of approval.
I'm going to stay tuned to this link to see what develops.
Thanks for posting this.
Paul Bulgerin
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Large volume dealers of coins will always make mistakes
In fact people with extraordinarily boring lives (like myself) rely on this !
Well established sellers like CGB or CNG have all made mistakes
Even David Sear is not God
I do wonder whether he supervises over others who do the actual 'work' or is doing it all by himself
He is around 80 years old !
And of course the possibility always exists that the person who makes the fake coins has a partner who makes fake COA's !
Either way ........
Ancient artifacts must always be viewed with some skepticism
Especially when displaying anything thing out of the ordinary like the errant star
But it is still comforting that with all of us viewing this piece from different angles
In short order we came to the inescapable conclusion
It's a "stinker" !
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I sympathetically agree with Furivs Rufvs.
Interesting how the human brain works.
In this case, I was prompted by the OP, otherwise I probably wouldn't have noticed it myself. That is how fakes are able to evade reputable large volume coin dealers,
who sometimes drop their guard with a little less attention being paid, than they should have.
They should always cover their butts, by offering a lifetime guarantee.
Even so, I always like to examine a coin 'in hand' myself, before making a decision to buy.
When examining any ancient coin closely, experience says that you always must be doubtful, until you can prove it to yourself otherwise.
Experience says that style* and fabric** must always be considered when examining in hand.
With die struck copies:
* Style: Get yourself into the mind of the original die engraver, and not into the mind of the fraudster, who is trying to copy it.
** Fabric: Ask yourself the question:
"Was this coin made in the same way ancient coins were made, with dies struck by hammer, or were modern copy dies made, and the blank pressed with them?
Other tests can be applied: weight, diameter and if necessary XRF and density.
My opinion? Fake.
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