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Pillar of the Community
United States
2734 Posts |
There's another very good reason to pay cash: No identity theft. Just about any victim of serious identity theft could only wish they'd simply been 'mugged for $100' instead! Lots of identity theft still happens from stealing checks! (stolen routing number + Versa-Check = DOOM ) I don't use paper checks, and would I encourage you not to, either! I have used credit-card based 'gift cards' when traveling. There's only the fixed amount on the card (especially if it's not 're-loadable'), which the issuer may replace if you report the card as lost or stolen, and it's worth the 5 to 10 dollar 'activation' fee to protect yourself from identity theft when you're out of your home area  .
Edited by DNA 10/04/2008 8:56 pm
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Valued Member
United States
80 Posts |
 You can't get finds unless you get change. Plus, research shows that people buy more when they have a debit card, and even more if they have a credit card. We had this "dare/bet" among some friends about who could live without their credit cards. So one of my friends didn't want to cut his up nor did he want to just throw it in a drawer somewhere. He thought he would be tempted. So he took a piece of tupperware and filled half of it with water and put his credit card in it and froze it.  Instead of cold hard cash, he had cold hard credit.   Actually he did decide to cut his credit card up after 4 months of having it in the freezer but then his wife got another one so she could buy 'Christmas' without him knowing what was spent, etc. 
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1040 Posts |
Credit is a bad trap. There is no emotional commitment with a piece of plastic. That is why it is so easy to spend so much. You can't see the money in hand, and it isn't your money, so what do you care how much you spend?
Try taking your hard earned in physical form and just fritter it away on useless stuff you don't need day after day and see how long you can do it for.
Even better, for two weeks, write down every single cent you spend, be it credit or cash, and what you spent it on. At the end of the two weeks, look at what you bought. Add up all the things you didn't need, or could have obtained in a different or cheaper way (eg. buying lunch at work, instead of making it at home and bringing it to work) Then multiply it out into a yearly spend to see how much money you could be using for better purposes.
And here is a question for everyone. How much time do you actually spend managing your yearly budget? Most people spend more time planing a weekend away than they do planning their finances.
I have a folder next to me here on my desk that has a weekly, yes weekly, breakdown of income and expenses for the entire year. These are personal income and expense, not my business ones. I can look back over the last year to see what was working and what wasn't and adjust accordingly. I know what bills are coming up and how much needs to be budgeted for them so I don't have to touch my savings. I don't use credit cards, but I have one in case of emergency when I travel, I do have a debit card. My budget allows me to pay all my bills, living expenses and entertainment costs, a savings plan for my kids and savings for myself and wife.
Before I started to use this system 3 years ago I had over $35,000 in credit card debt. Now I have none, and never will again.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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One thing I have begun to notice is that there is an increasing number of places that get "an attitude" when one tries to use cash. It seems that cash is starting to get the same stigma that check writing has. The world is turning into the Visa commercials!
True in some places cash is becoming a detrament to transactions. For example our toll roads are now basically what is called IPASS. You pay in advance for a card for the toll roads. If you pay by cash, the charge is doubled. Some banks have told me they will no longer take coins in bulk. They will actually refuse your transaction. One restaurant I go to also would rather all is paid in plastic or a check. That surprised me but they told me it saves on having to take bulk coinage to a bank only to be refused. Most stores do not have a place for the baby sized dollars or half dollars so they really don't like those. Any conductors on commuter trains that have a coin changer will also tell you to please don't use coins like those baby dollars or halves. No place in the coin changer. Most CAB drivers I've asked really hate change. No real good place to put the coins. Coins and currency are soon to vanish.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2130 Posts |
Just Carl,
In your opinion, if coins and cash vanish in the future then how will this affect the value of coins and the hobby?
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1040 Posts |
I don't think physical money will ever disappear in our life time. It would take a massive perception shift for people to accept that. Take the trouble you have with your banking system now. If all your money is "electronic" and your bank goes down, where does that leave you? you can't just go and withdraw it. And there are too many disadvantages of a totally cashless society. It is expensive to implement in terms of education and infrastructure. There are too many transactions where it is simply not feasible to use plastic, such as lending money to a friend, garage (yard) sales and any other transaction that is not business related. And it is not really in the interest of the government to remove cash from society. Every time a coin or note is removed from circulation, by a collector or other means, the government makes money on it. Possibly the biggest disadvantage, and the one that will prevent it from ever happening, is the government would theoretically have access to every single cent you owned. No rainy day money under the bed, no secret money for the kids and so on and so on. No physical cash means full accountability for every cent. How many people would be happy with that? I think there are plenty of people with much more power than you and I who would shoot such a proposal straight out of the water for just this reason.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
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Just Carl,
In your opinion, if coins and cash vanish in the future then how will this affect the value of coins and the hobby?
I firmly believe that in the future there will be no monitary system as we know it. However, coins as a hobby may always be around. Same with other hobby fads such as Hot Wheels, Beanie Babies and even postage stamps. Recently there was a special on TV and one thing noted was that in China there is a massive stamp collecting craze going on. This also means that our stamp hobby which has recenetly been in the dumps may come alive again. Our Mint will probably still make Commemorative coins in the future but coinage and currency for circulation will just slowly vanish. As to the value of our coins. Just like American Flyer and Lionel Trains, in the future the coins of today will also be worth a lot of whatever is used. Quote:
The flaws paying with debit/credit cards: The card server is down, You exceed a daily transaction limit, you exceed your credit limit, there's a hold on your credit line (especially applies to gasoline purchases!), additional fees, delays in chargebacks, I can go on and on! When you have sufficient cash in hand, you know that you can complete your purchase right away....
The fallacy to this is you have to remember that almost everywhere you go the monitary transactions are already computerized. Credit card or not, when you go to a store your items are scanned into a computer and that is what your charged. Slowly all businesses are going computerized for monitary transactions. Cash in hand? Not long ago in Walmart the power went out. The cash registers wouldn't open. Everyone had to leave. No transaactions could be made. Another time at Kmart I was half way through checking out and the computers went down. Waited for about 10 minutes and they came back on line. The cashier completed my purchases. At home I noticed only about half was charged. The reset of the computers put all back to 0. In the past things like this has happened to me occationally and cash or no cash, you can't buy items if the computers are down.
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Valued Member
United States
177 Posts |
I pay for everything by plastic. I do not carry more than 5 dollars in cash in my pocket at any given time.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2734 Posts |
Quote: "...cash or no cash, you can't buy items if the computers are down" . True, but if the store's computers are down, no other method of payment works either! What I was saying is that if the central approval computer (run by the card issuing bank) for someone's card is down, the customer cannot make the purchase even if they have a sufficient balance (debit) or credit line (credit) in the account. I rushed to a major electronics store to buy the last particular on-sale TV they had in stock (as shown on their webpage store inventory list). Someone had got there just before I did, and they had that 'last' TV in their cart and were at the checkout. Guess what happened? The guy's card came up 'unable to process'  , and he was mad. He kept swearing that he had the money in his account, and stormed off in a huff! Yours truly got that TV, because I had the money in my wallet, not (stuck!) in my account!    
Edited by DNA 10/07/2008 12:05 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2734 Posts |
I don't think that currency and coins will entirely vanish, but they may all eventually be 'legal tender collectibles' not issued for general circulation. There's enough of those kinds of coins around right now! (2008 Sacagawea dollars and 2008 JFK Half-Dollars, anyone?) Electronic fund transfers replace the function of circulation coins and currency, not 'collectibles' or (especially not!) bullion coins!
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Moderator
 United States
188770 Posts |
I think that as long as the US Mint is making a profit on collectible coins, they will continue to make them, even if they are no longer minting any for circulation. Whether or not I would continue to collect the new issues is to be determined.
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Rest in Peace
United States
9104 Posts |
Houston-
Customers of the new downtown People's Trust Federal Credit Union will not get change back when they cash checks.
They can either put it in their account or make a charitable contribution to the CU's foundation for financial education and first-time mortgage borrowers.
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Valued Member
United States
204 Posts |
Quote: In your opinion, if coins and cash vanish in the future then how will this affect the value of coins and the hobby? Simple - we start collecting credit cards. My brother started doing this years ago and would actually open and close accounts just to get a new card design. I don't think it is likely that coins or currency will ever disappear and I too was surprised the first time I received one of the new multi-colored $10 bills. I actually liked it so much I kept it, which also surprised me because before that I thought a lot of the newer issues of bills looked really bad. Hard not to use credit cards though, since mine gives 1% to my kids college fund and I pay it off every month. Now businesses are wising up and giving discounts for using cash, so we will see if it becomes more cost effective to start using cash on a regular basis.
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