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1966 Lincoln Cent Planchet Flaws/Cracks And FS

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 Posted 11/23/2019  2:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was just wondering if someone could tell me what these are and if they are planchet cracks between R-U and between S-T in "Trust" and another one at the bottom of Lincoln, I was also wondering if someone could tell me about the Full Steps regarding 1966 and if they matter or not for this year.


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full steps, right side of the steps are less visible due to my lighting but they are there. Sorry for the angle I just tried to get the best shot of them that I could.

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 Posted 11/23/2019  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The cracks look like die scratches and FS is not used on cents, only nickels.
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 Posted 11/23/2019  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for the info regarding the steps, and here is a closer picture of the one between S-T


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the one between R-U is the same, the other one on the bottom looks more like a die scratch, but the top two are going in the coin like a crack not out of it.
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and FS is not used on cents, only nickels.
John1

If I'm not mistaken Bad Thad once mentioned about full steps on a business strike Lincoln Memorial cent . And I happen to agree with him , Their not common but they are out there on strongly struck gems with no flaws .
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 Posted 11/23/2019  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Those steps mean early die state,great to have on a 66, would have loved to see photos of full coin...
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Here are pics of the full coin... I have read a few posts from Bad Thad regarding FS on Lincoln cents, but I am still confused.

Apparently FS on some Lincoln cents are harder to come by than the rest, is the 1966 common to find with the FS?

I understand the FS is really only noticed on the nickel and this is where I am confused since it is a cent.

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Thanks for the added photos, very nice cent... FS for nickels true with TPGers..I believe most cent collectors(me) look for fully struck up steps because of the early die state. Bad Thad might be along (lets hope) always like hearing his opinion when it comes to cents, he has one hellava collection
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JohnWayne, very nice, high quality photos! I agree with John1, the scratches look like die scratches. And I also agree that the term "full steps" is *usually* reserve for nickels, but just as a general term illustrating a well struct coin with excellent definition, well, I can see it being used for cents. But, Bad Thad I agree is an excellent resource we have in our family.
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 Posted 11/24/2019  04:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you guys, here is a better picture of the steps, the last one didn't really do it any justice but this one is good.


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Any chance that is a SMS coin? Shouldn't a SMS cent have "FS"?
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John1, I am not really sure how to tell the difference between SMS coins and Business strike, but I do know I got this given to me a few years ago with a few other coins but not in a set. As far as I have been reading 1965-1966-1967 dident come with a mint mark and I THINK they were suppose to have full steps but most of them ended up not having it? I'm not the person to ask regarding that but I'm sure Bad Thad would know more if he hopefully sees this.
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Very nice Lincoln and very nice steps . It could be from a SMS especially if it was raw like that for any length of time . Could very well be FS but would like to see bigger and clearer photo of just the steps . The toning and molting surfaces of a SM Lincoln could be from the environment it was put in after removal from the set .
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i tried getting better pictures but my camera (iPhone 6S) really doesn't like to catch fine detail. This coin is one of those "gotta see it in hand" to truly appreciate the detail on it.


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Edit** Can someone tell me if there is suppose to be the VDB initials on the bottom of Lincoln? I only ask because there is none on this one but I see it on others.
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Yes there should be...most likely filled with grease or removed due to die polishing
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