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Out of curiosity, I'd like to hear how other collectors (especially Canadians) would grade this cent. I need a reality check on the grade I gave for a friend--because I try to be accurate. I think I see pearls 7,8 intact as well as the center crown diamond. What do you think? For everyone's sake, it might be good to state why the coin earns that grade. I say that because many dealers here completely miss the mark on George V grading--but it's not as hard as it looks.   Edited by KurtS
10/02/2008 3:46 pm
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Yes, Kurt, I see pearls present too, also the band on the crown is very visable, in my opinion the rim nicks keeps it from AU, so I'll give it EF-40+. Very nice example.  |
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Thanks for confirming...I would agree one important criteria between VF/XF are pearls 7,8.
I also think there's enough luster for AU, but it nets an XF40-45 in my eyes.
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10/02/2008 4:07 pm
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Yeah that is a nice looking EF.
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I would think XF-40. But I am from US so what do I know?  |
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Ditto wwhitman...with signs of harsh cleaning...E Pluribus Unum!
Edited by atlashealth
10/03/2008 2:16 pm
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Atlas, I thought I saw discoloration which might indicate cleaning, but I find it's hard to be sure from pics.
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10/03/2008 3:06 pm
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I disagree, if the coin had been cleaned, the light scratches should be going all the same way. The scratches I see in the field, are not doing that. But, like said, you really can't tell from a pic. It's still a very nice example for any ones collection. Edited by SHAFTA9a
10/03/2008 4:18 pm
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  To elaborate, what caught my eye was the coloration between EN in CENT on the reverse. Often when a lot of old dirt is removed, the underlying surface has a red discoloration. Otherwise, all I'm seeing are small surface marks, and coin photos often emphasize marks over positives like luster. Edited by KurtS
10/03/2008 4:36 pm
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i now concur that this would be an XF coin. I was misreading the grading guide in the Charlton book and was reading too much into the tells for wear.
i just went through a box of George VI cents and see how badly I was under grading. thanks for the help.
-Steve
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Steve, I'd rather err on being a tough grader. |
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Lot of wear on George V - how can that be higher than VF?
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Lot of wear on George V  It probably varies by series, but for the George V Canadian cent, the first wear is evident on the highpoint around crown pearls 7,8 just left of the diamond in the crown band. By definition VF coins don't show this detail and the crown bands are worn to the level of pearls 7,8, but the 4 edges of the diamond are preserved. The same crown band criteria is used for grading Australia George V coins, although these larger coins shows more overall detail in the effigy. Scale also plays a part in effigy detail visible. The tricky part about XF coins is that a weaker strike or any knocks can easily affect prominence of pearls 7,8. As shown below, there's a knock on pearl 7, but I see band separation and pearl 8 are still distinct at the high point. Coupled with the overall luster, I find this coin merits an XF.  Here's another XF by the same criteria. Pearls 7,8 are often subtle and need a close look--owing to knocks and softer strike.  Edited by KurtS
10/04/2008 3:58 pm
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OK, I appreciate it may be weak strike, hmm...the leaves are good on the reverse..
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I usually find that the reverse of the Canada small cents are almost always better than the obverse. |
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