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You Vs Ncg - 1922-D Lincoln

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 Posted 10/13/2008  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acidic1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bummer...Sorry Bad. It is a beaut!.
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 Posted 10/18/2008  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now thats just sad !

they took your money and did not grade the coin ,I would send it back for a presidential review and a complaint like they have never seen before !

or I would if I placed any stock in what they thought !



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 Posted 10/18/2008  9:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadThad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can protest their opinion? Really?
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 Posted 10/18/2008  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thad I don't know if NGC has an actual process for protest , I know that PCGS does or did have a presidential review process .

but don't let that stop you it would not stop me from protesting what I know to be a falicous grading and unfair and false holdering of my coin .

I firmly believe that if I pay money for something I have the right to protest the results if they are not up to snuff or at the very least an explaination for the results which I got .

The grader which graded your coin may not have been completely qualified to do Lincolns and especially lincolns with toning and you should have your coin looked at again with a letter of protest included with your opinion attached to it .

and thats the truth !

from their own FAQ page

Frequently Asked Questions

How widely do grading opinions vary among experts?

A. Discrepancies in grading of 1-2 points in MS60 and PF60 and better coins are not uncommon. In circulated grades a variance of 1-2 grades (i.e. VF35, XF40, XF45) also would not be uncommon. Discrepancies depend largely on how well trained the examining experts are in the area that pertains to a particular coin.

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 Posted 10/18/2008  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinguybrian to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's a great idea!
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 Posted 10/22/2008  02:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, well.....NGC is ridiculous. My dealer agrees with me, my 22D is completely natural and he was very surprised and disgruntled with NGC. He showed me about 15 other slabs he rec'd back on this shipment, all were very harshly graded and a very nicely toned silver 3-cent came back "stained". This whole AT kick the TGP's are on is out of hand!

Tough to tell without the coin in hand, but from what I can see it looks fine. This 'kick' the TPG's are on has been going on for years now. The gentleman who ran the local coin shop purchased 3 sealed bags of Morgans about 7 years ago (2 80-s and an 85-o) for $54k ($18 a coin) if I remember correctly! Anyways, he ended up with about 300 nicely toned coins (a few very,very nice ones, but no monsters) that he sent off to pcgs. About 240 of them slabbed, the rest were returned for questionable color! I mean, they all came out of the same 3 bags. Anyways, he kind of shrugged his shoulders and said that's the game. He sent the rest back to pcgs a second time, and half of those holdered. Incidentally, the common thread between the rejects is they were darker or had a lot of black (some really looked more like end-rollers than bag toned, but that was from the strings fraying off the seams inside the bag and resting against the coins - cool, huh?). Those 2 time 'rejects' were all shipped off to ngc where they were holdered the first try (their third).
Those were all very real, nt coins that were submitted together, from a very well respected dealer...............and it took some of them 3 tries to make it.
If the grade don't fit, you must resubmit!
A couple of years ago, a certain coin doc found that if he used ms70 on copper coins they toned in wild blues and purples. Fooled the services at first, but as always when they figured it out they stopped grading pretty much anything that looks like them, natural or not.
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 Posted 10/26/2008  02:51 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I know color is an opinion that's hard to argue - It sure looks natural to me.

Is the nick on Lincoln's forehead very bad? It's a key and I bet PCGS goes MS63 unless the dreaded color issue or that nick cause a problem.

Good Luck!
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