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Bedrock of the Community
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Edited by BadThad
10/21/2008 11:07 pm
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Very nice looking coin, I'm going to say MS-64.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That would be my guess as well...MS-64.
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United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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slight wear on high points and a few contact marks
grade: AU-58RB with weak mintmark
PS gorgeous coin...enjoy!
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 with echizento Beauty of a coin  |
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Canada
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I agree somewhat with Atlas, but, I'll stick to my original grade back on the original post. MS-60
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I am leaning toward an MS65 for NGC but because of some weakness in the strike I will say MS4 but really hope you get it back at MS65.
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Pillar of the Community
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I agree with 64, but it would be great to see it go higher! Very nice!
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So it the question what would we grade it or what do we think NGC will grade it?
The reverse is beautiful.
The obverse is also beautiful, but not quite as much. I'd really like to have this one in hand to grade the front.
I'm going to hope that what I'm seeing as a slight rub on the back of his jacket and into his hair is due to a weak die.
Although I'm really really tempted to grade this as AU58, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that even if it is AU the quality of the reverse can convince me that it's a weak die and as such give it an MS grade
The one scratch above the date is very noticeable, the other marks along Lincolns body are there... I don't know if I would have noticed them if the other mark was there... I would have just thought that the fields were great so the rest of the coin must be in the same shape.
If I am going to call this MS, then the rub on the front has to be a weak strike... weak strikes limit the upper end to 63 (from the way I understand it)...
So all this put together in my head rumbles around and comes out
MS-62 Red
That's what I grade it for you...
If it were in a dealers shop I'd do everything in my power to convince them that it was an AU, as that's about a $400 difference. Then I'd bring it home put it in my album and sniker to myself that I was able to pay AU prices for what's obviously a MS coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Spring - You have to realize that the 1922D series was the absolute worst in quality for Lincolns. The Denver mint way, way over-used their dies and very little care was taken in the production of cents. This is 100% sure an MS coin. A good place to compare is to browse the 1922D's on ha.com.  My only concern is the colorful reverse. With the TGP's cracking down of late on "questionable color", most are paranoid about certifying anything colorful. This coin is very colorful as certain angles on the reverse. I guess I'll just have to wait and see. Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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Pillar of the Community
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While I'm sure they'll consider AT, I rarely see AT on the reverse of a coin only as an issue. Maybe others have seen this before?
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So can a weak struck coin receive a grade higher than 63? If my understanding of that is off then my final grade on the coin would be off as well.
As I said before the reverse is stunning. I'm sure in some way shape or manner it could be better and I really struggle with grading MS coins, but to me the reverse is at least a 65.
Going off of a weak strike for the obverse I can't give it a 65 due to the scratch above the date and the hits in his coat.
So my thinking on calling it a 62 was "If it can't grade higher than a 63 due to being a weak strike, something also has to be taken into account for the hits on the front... so 62".
But if you can have a weakly struck coin grade above a 63, then I'm also under going under the assumption that grades above 64 can't have any hit's in the fields... if it's got hits but they aren't in the fields than from the way I understand it it can grade up to 65.
The question for me is how do you grade the obverse and how does die strike limit grade AND how do hits affect grade... I know if there are multiple hits then it can't grade above 63... but I only see the one main one in this...
Long story short my whole understanding of how to grade MS coins is REALLY shaky.
I don't know what to grade the obverse... I could be convinced to go from my original of 62 up to 65 depending on what the actual rule set it.
I do know that the reverse is stunning and should grade at least 65...
SO combining those two together, I could see understand any grade between 62 and 67...
Like I said I have no idea, and need a better understanding of how to grade MS coins.
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So can a weak struck coin receive a grade higher than 63? If my understanding of that is off then my final grade on the coin would be off as well. On this particular date die state will be taken into account in the grading ,this coin is definitely mint state and in the scheme of these coins is pretty well struck , the reverse is very strong and neat and the obverse showing the amount of detail in the beard and jacket are indicators of a MDS to LMDS obverse on this coin . the obverse has a few bag marks /dings 7 that I can count in the pic under the particular lighting ,rims are clean the small spot in the left field is a bit distracting and the larger scratch in the right field also but I think everything considered that the coin will come back 64 RB from NGC if it was sent to PCGS it would be a 63 RB . Thad I would not be to concered about the drawer toning on the reverse it looks natural to me and is a part of the coin and should not affect the grade . Very nice coin for this date ! I'll trade ya two Medium peeries and a blue boulder and 10 cats eyes and a steelie for it |
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United States
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Well, well.....NGC is ridiculous. My dealer agrees with me, my 22D is completely natural and he was very surprized and disgruntled with NGC. He showed me about 15 other slabs he rec'd back on this shipment, all were very harshly graded and a very nicely toned silver 3-cent came back "stained". This whole AT kick the TGP's are on is out of hand!  After discussion with him, I am going to submit my 22D to PCGS. He feels certain they will slab it. He wanted to use NGC because he thought it'd have a good shot at MS65, where PCGS will likely be 63-64. This story is not over dangit!  Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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Rest in Peace
United States
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Well, I wasted 50 bucks and 14 weeks with NGC, so I feel your pain.
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Posted 10/03/2008 1:27 pm
