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1696 ? - Coin / Token. I K ? 3 Something. Temple? With Crown Above.

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Hi I'm looking for some help please with this coin or token.

The coin is extremely thin, 0.73 grams, non-magnetic

1696-?---Coin-/-Token.--I-K-?--3-Something.-Temple?-With-Crown-Above.
1696-?---Coin-/-Token.--I-K-?--3-Something.-Temple?-With-Crown-Above.

My photos aren't amazing. I can make out what looks to be I K on the front and what appears to be a temple and I'm pretty confident a crown above said temple. There looks like there could have possibly been writing inside the crown but it's very rubbed so I can't really.

On the back there is a 3 inside a circle and then the date is 16 something, looks very much like a 9 but could perhaps be a 2. And then probably a 6 I guess.

Any help much appreciated with this one! Thanks :)

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It's not something I've seen before, but the style of the initials on the reverse make me think of Nuremberg Rechenpfennigs. There were two families prominent in those times as Guild Masters. One was Krauwinckel and the other Koch. Just a thought, and I hope that it doesn't take you into too many blind alleys.
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That's a three Pfennig from Saxony. It seems that there are a number of varieties. You might want to check numista to narrow it down further.
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Thank you!

It is indeed a 3 Pfennig. And I'm trying to narrow it down.

Closest so far: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces157025.html

The front is exactly the same, but back is a bit different but still has IK. Sure won't be too long before I find it :)
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That is a funny coin. No inscription at all, just a number and initials.

I think that in those days, people must have recognized the coats of arms better.
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Ok it is clearly this coin:
https://www.ma-shops.de/olding2/item.php?id=104045
https://www.ma-shops.com/loebbers/i...id=150914040

However strangely enough the lettering is different on those. Given that other 3 Pfennig with the initials IK I guess the minting changed hands at somepoint in 96 from IK to that E PH. ?

I'm not 100% sure the date on mine ends in 6 though. I guess it's also possible that it's a 5.
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just a number and initials.


Sure, but these conveyed a lot of information: numbers specified both the denomination and the date while the initials are for the mintmaster I think. The crossed swords would have told the holder where within Saxony it was minted.
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3 Pfennig 1696 IK Sachsen-Albertinische Linie Friedrich August I. 1694-1733

English translation...

3 Pfennig 1696 IK Saxony-Albertine line-Friedrich August I. 1694-1733
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Aha! Found one from 95:
1696-?---Coin-/-Token.--I-K-?--3-Something.-Temple?-With-Crown-Above.

And it looks to have the same initials as mine: I K.

So I guess mine is likely a 1695 coin rather than 1696. And the mint master changed hands for 1696.

Anyway mystery solved. Thanks everyone :)
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There were two mints operating in Saxony in 1695-96, and hence two mintmasters at this time:

IK = Johann Koch, Dresden mintmaster 1688-1698
EPH = Ernst Peter Hecht, Leipzig mintmaster 1693-1714

NOW the mystery is closer to being solved.

I believe your coin is 1696 from Dresden. The top of the 5 in the picture you show of a 1695 IK is at least somewhat flat, so your coin is more consistent with 1696.
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Ah, thanks for that info!

Amazing how much you can find about something.
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