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1864 2 Cent 1/1-Flynn RPD-016 ?

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Just taking a closer look at this one and comparing it to NGC's variety page and THINK it looks very close to the 1/1 posted on their page. What do you guys think?

Mine.....
1864-2-Cent--1/1-Flynn-RPD-016-?
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NGC's variety page....

https://www.NGCcoin.com/variety-plu...s-1864-1873/
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I don't see it. The RPD on RPD-016 is the line to the left of the 1, that's the base of a repunched 1.
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Not sure but appears normal.
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I think you have it, the repunching under the crossbar of the 4 is what convinces me.
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I don't see it. The RPD on RPD-016 is the line to the left of the 1, that's the base of a repunched 1.


I see what you're saying, and agree, mine doesn't show that line. It just seems odd for two dies to wear almost identically. Possibly a late die state where the line was polished off?
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Decided to make an overlay to see if the date position matches up, it doesn't. I think the similarities you're seeing is an issue with the date punch, not the die itself.

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 Posted 12/18/2019  3:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AcesKings to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hard to argue with the pics! Thanks for the help!
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I may be able to help you attribute it, but will need more photos and information, what is the serif on the D in UNITED look like - (top serif) full, partial or missing?

Is there any signs of minor doubling on the top of the Motto?

Please post full obverse and reverse pluss close ups of the date "64" like you did with the "18"

There are a lot of minor RPDs in 1864, somewhere around 25+ known now. There were approx. 100 dies made for 1864 with many different die marriages, subtle die chips, cracks can help narrow down the exact attribution. This is definitely a minor RPD but there are a few much rarer ones.
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Thank you for anything you find.....
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what is the serif on the D in UNITED look like - (top serif) full, partial or missing?


Partial? I think?
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Appears to be closet to the KF-L23-RPD (From Kevin Flynn's Getting Your Two Cents Worth" book, same as RPD-021 in Kevin's "The Authoritative Reference on Two Cent Coins" book. Kevin lists this RPD as a fairly common one.

Frank Leone's book "Longacre's Two-Cent Piece shows this to be 1864-42BU Frank mentions this example is found with lower part of reverse is usually found struck though grease which you example for sure is. I can't quite tell from the photos you provided on the reverse is there two small parallel lines (die clash marks?) visible near hanging leaf at right? On the obverse there should be a die crack from the left leaf cluster through the lower arrow feathers and down towards the date, also another small one from the last T in TRUST to to the arrow tip at right. (Depending on die states of course) cracks will not always show up.

A fairly common minor RPD, no extra premium assigned to this one, unfortunately.
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 Posted 12/22/2019  10:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AcesKings to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You mean this?

1864-2-Cent--1/1-Flynn-RPD-016-?

I don't see any die cracks on the obverse. Thank you for all your help!!
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Yes but just above that last photo the lines would be going right through that hanging leaf from top to bottom.
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 Posted 12/24/2019  08:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AcesKings to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't seen any lines higher up. I'm content in just calling this a normal 1864. Thank you for all your help!!
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