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This coin was labeled "Crusader Cross Templar Coin 1200 -1400 Europe Medieval Antique Ancient Copper+" when purchased from ebay. I cant find the same coin anywhere on google and is in much better condition that any coin I see from that era, so I'm pretty sure its a fake. Anyone have any idea of what this coin is and whether I looks genuine. Thanks
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Can you make the pic fill the screen, please and show the other side ?
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@bvogel, first welcome to CCF. Second, when I rotate, crop, enlarge, and enhance your picture, the image becomes quite pixelated. A larger pic would help us with this significantly.


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The large cross design looks similar to medieval coinage from the British Isles. All of that coinage was hammered. If your planchet has a clean circular shape, it can't be real. It could be an intentional fake or it could be something manufactured for a museum shop. With a clearer picture, maybe somebody here could be more specific about the coin it's imitating.
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When I type the terms "Crusader Cross Templar Coin 1200" into a ebay sold items search, I find a bunch of fakes from a seller in Poland, but also a lot of real coins from other sellers.

With better pictures, the experts here can give a definitive answer.

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Ok thanks for the much improved pics. It looks to me like you might have a brass jeton or account token rather than a crusader coin. This is outside my area of expertise, but one potential source of information is here: https://sites.google.com/site/lesje...comptes/home
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@bvogel, this means the item could be real though from a slightly later era (1400-1600)

Your new photos are consistent with the seller saying it is "copper+" (or brass).

If you click on the link provided by @spence, and from the menu on the left you select "Jetons a la Nef," you will see some examples with the same design as in your second photo (a diamond with 4 fleur de lis).

The large cross (croix pattee) with pairs of emblems in the angles (crowns, lions, fleur-de-lis, etc) was a common design in the 15th century in France and the Low Countries.

If real, it is indeed nicely preserved.
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Thanks for the input, this is the closest I've found to a look a like.

https://www.etsy.com/nz/listing/606...out_detail=1
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Appears to be a Jeton from the late medieval period.
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