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ATB Coins With Mule Characteristics

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 Posted 01/02/2020  9:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add jcassity to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all, stopped collecting in 85,,, time marched on and wow things have changed.
i pulled out my collection thats been sitting for many years then began catching up on terminology and the latest "in" things.

Ive been coin roll hunting and to that I have a question.
what are the odds that the mint would recycle poor quality coins and restamp them over again.
this is the second coin I have found that shows signs of begining life as another coin but ended up being an ATB 16'.

posting three pics of this 16' quarter.
this is on the obverse above "IN" within the clear area which should not have these kind of marks.
this coin will likely be up on ebay along with a few dozen I have pulled over the past month of other varieties and errors.

big thumbs up to JB Coins and BlueridgeSilverHound if you guys are members here.

thanks to all replies in advance,,

scott cassity


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I'm pretty sure the mint would not "recycle" coins in that way, if they even do it at all. The mint would have the coins melted down and reformed into blanks, they wouldn't just throw them back into the striking chamber.

I believe what you are seeing is just contact marks, damage, that simply looks like a letter.
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The word we're looking for is pareidolia -- interpreting specific designs from abstract patterns. Those "letters" aren't really there.
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Really?
The mint doesn't recycle in the manner you have suggested, they would just melt things down.
At best you are seeing post mint damage, but certainly no mint error.
Good luck on ebay.

to the CCF!
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Really?
The mint doesn't recycle in the manner you have suggested, they would just melt things down.
At best you are seeing post mint damage, but certainly no mint error.
Good luck on ebay.


Merc,
i was not surprised to see you over here, again, slow your roll as many others have asked.

#2,, your single word "really" implies a huge amount of frustration that could only be fueled by some past association for which we have none.

#3, I made no suggestions at all, I asked a question but you made a personal choice to find time to take a new members post and hope that you could single out the question being asked as a way to flip it around and make it sound like something its not.

#4, Since I am well versed in grammer, its only prudent that I take your good luck wishes as nothing more than futher condesention.

#5 stay away from this post from here on out please, I will post at other times in the future and at that point you can chime in as long as you steer clear of venting on me free of charge for other things that have nothing to do with me.

#6- to all
I am prob seeing things in the cloud I know, in person the odds of that letter A being "not there" is in my own visual interpertation nearly none but its not without saying I could infact just be seeing things. I do believe its an interesting coin with stray marks that could be viewed as worth saving back.

the only reason I pulld this and the other coin out was because of my attention being brought to an ATB coin being called a "dropped T" on the obverse under in god we trust. as soon as a saw that ,, I thought to myself "what the heck,, how could something like this ever happen". its suposed to be a clear field with no stray letters and if there were stray letters and infact only a single letter,, it makes even less sense.

my mission is to pull out coins people and collectors can make some sort of connetion with. this coin has one fault in that you can not really see the issue without a scope.... which in all reality means you all are right in that "it not there". with a few more years of handling, it actually will disappear even from a scope.

I recently found a war in the pacific with a Cud just ahead of the gun barrel.... again, a coin that people can make a connection with,,, something that makes it neat illustrating an actual bullet leaving the barrel. Another would be some half dozen bicentenial doubling on the reverse.

I wouldnt mind mailing this out to someone else to look over though,, I want to make sure I dont misrepresent the condition or situation of this coin. a small part of me agrees its nothing,, but in person ontop of the coin,, the letter A is plain as day even with the serif's,,, unlikely odds if a natural random mark. I also noticed that the "A" nd the "M" are on a particular radius that might match up to the radius of the word america on another denomination.

who knows....... all I know is that ive been wanting to join this forum for a while now.. great info and knowledge base here!!
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Merc, I have also seen snide remarks from you including one on my post concerning a 1993 D DDR saying that it wasn't when you truly did not have a clue what you were talking about. I've also seen you call a true DDO an MD coin and called it a spender. I think maybe you should learn a little more about die varieties and how not to dissuade new members.
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 Posted 01/03/2020  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CherryPicker1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

I agree it's just damage but hey, if you like it, that's all that matters and you can add it to your collection.
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 Posted 01/03/2020  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcassity to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
damage pertaining to what?

the die or the coin?

how could a damage such as this end up matching up to an alphabet letter A?

i am just asking,, I do not know if anyone has zoomed in really close on some of these new'er coins and found somehting similar as crisp as this yet.

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I believe it's just a coincidence, because the "letters" are extremely vague and look like they could be anything and they don't match up with anything on any other coins or dies that I know of.
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I do not appreciate the personal attacks on me. That is not what this forum is for. I call them as I see them, period. And I will continue to do so.
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Now after looking at these pictures for a while I can see a raised edge of A. Could be my imagination but there is something there. What is it or how it have gotten there - no clue. Posting a picture of an entire coin might help.
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merclover, its fine that you call them how you see them, just know what you're talking about when you call them.
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 Posted 01/04/2020  10:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jcassity to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i am going to trade up or down and all around everywhich way possible the lighting aspects to see if I can defeat the internets typical way of intruding on my pixels!

also,, I will attempt a high quality photo and slide it over to a cloud location like drop box... meaning that you the members here can just click and open... without any need to be hampered with login stuff.

stand by....

Merc,, can you help me judge this,,, reason I ask is you offer a great perspective on sketisism and that does have its advantages in order to me to not mis-represnt the characteristics of the things I se ein person.?

i do highly appreciate everyones patience entertaining this seemingly fairy tale thread.

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Jcassity, in all seriousness to your questions concerning you ATB coin. I cannot find a single clad quarter that would have the type of lettering in which you are seeing. Keep in mind that what you are thinking is that it may be recycled, if this scenario were even a remote possibility the US mint would have to do this one at a time to make sure the obverse dies lined up with the coin to be struck. Now, what happens to the reverse? Surely the reverse has a design that would have to be obliterated and a new design take its place. In all fairness it's either one of three things you're seeing, either very well placed dings on your quarter mimicking something resembling letters or die dents doing the same thing or a clash. Those to me are the only three logical explanations for what you're seeing.
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