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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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This change was reflected in the king's title changing from Roi de France ("King of France") to Roi des Français ("King of the French")

More interesting history...I had wondered about the language of that legend.

As we will see later on in this thread, it was actually the same change of title that was made during the first French revolution, for Louis-Philippe's unfortunate predecessor Louis XVI, who sat on the throne as an absolute monarch in 1789 with the title "King of France and Navarre" (although expressed in Latin on the coins). In 1791 the new constitution declared that the monarch sat on the mandate of the people, and Louis XVI forcibly became "King of the French" (spelled Roi des François at the time). That did not end well for him one year later, when the people - les François - decided they needed no king at all, and guillotined him. Apparently Louis-Philippe was not disturbed by that unfortunate precedent as he took the title voluntarily. He also did better than his predecessor in the next revolution in 1848, living in exile in Britain after his abdication (although only for two years before he died in 1850).

That is one of the things with numismatics that interest me a lot: Finding out the reason a coin looks the way it does and has the inscriptions it has (and learning a lot of history while doing so).

As a sidenote of mostly academic interest, there are still today two pretenders to the throne of France, should the country ever become a monarchy again: Louis Alphonse de Bourbon and Jean d'Orleans, one each from the houses of Bourbon and Orleans. Louis Alphonse is a descendant of the 17-18th century French king Louis XIV (as well as of Queen Victoria) while Jean is a descendant of Louis-Philippe.
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@erafjel ... As far as I am concerned the more history we learn from our coins the better! As you know, I don't have much to say until the 18th century.

@Dorado, I love the device with the llamas(I think?) on Bolivian coins of that era
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1831 US Large Cent - N6

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1830 half dime--
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1830 half dollar--
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1830 Go-MJ 1 Real - Mexico

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1830 1 Double - Guernsey

1 Double = Half Farthing. There were 8 Doubles to the Guernsey penny, same as in Britain, unlike the 1/13 standard used for Jersey prior to 1876. Twelve Guernsey pence, or 96 doubles, made a shilling; the largest double denomination was the 8 Doubles coin.

As an aside, you would have needed 240 8 Doubles coins (after 1858) to make a Guernsey pound -- at 9.6g each, that's 2.3kg of coins! Even worse, prior to 1858, the 8 Doubles weighed in at a pocket-bursting 20g, so imagine needing to carry 4.8kg of coins just to buy something for £1.

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An 1830 Newcomb N-8 Large Cent, a Large Letters type

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1830 Capped Bust Half
O-119 (R2), "Medium 0" in date
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Nice coins, paralyse and mikev50!

A rather worn 1830 British farthing. Last year of King George IV's reign: he died on 26th June that year:
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1830 Maundy Set:
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One day I saw the 1830 fourpence in a coin shop in Canterbury, about 15 miles from my home. A few days later I saw the 1d and 2d in a local Antiques Market. I bought the 1d and 2d and phoned the Canterbury shop to ask the dealer to reserve the 4d for me. It took me another 10 years to get the threepence, but eventually one turned up in a dealer's list.

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1830 French franc, minted in Lille (W mintmark, with the portrait of unpopular and ultra-conservative King Charles X. 1830 was also the final year of his reign, but, as erafjel explained yesterday, he didn't die but was deposed in the July Revolution.
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1830 -- City of Wismar, 3 pfennig:

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1830 -- United States, 50 cents:

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Central American Republic 1 real
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US 1830 Capped Bust Half Dime, NGC MS-61:

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1830 PTS.J.L.Republica Boliviana.
4 Soles.
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1830 PTS.J.L.Republica Boliviana.
4 Soles.
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