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 Posted 11/08/2020  07:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Neat German heraldry, @pepactonius!

My coin is in far worse condition than that, though...

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Russian Empire, Peter II, 1 kopek 1728 (the so-called "Moscow" type).
The date runs bottom-to-top on the first pic; the 8 is just visible at the very top (this is a two-year type, the other option is 9).

This type is said to be the first known definite appearance of Saint George on Russian coinage (earlier "rider" types, which don't include a dragon, are much less easily identified with St. George), though there's actually a series of Saint George types from 15th century Principality of Moscow. (I hope to get one of those some day.)
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 Posted 11/08/2020  07:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good to see you @j1m, and always nice to learn more about the iconography.

1728 Duchy of Lorraine, 1 Masson (=12 sous,6 deniers). Note that the rulers of the House of Lorraine also claim the title King of Jerusalem (REX IER obverse and a small cross of Jerusalem in the center reverse)
And ... we enter the era of big hair.
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 Posted 11/08/2020  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an 8 Skilling from Norway dated 1728 AD:

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 Posted 11/08/2020  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A 1728 JJJ 8 Schilling of Lübeck (Germany)
The date is very faint but visible at the right angle.

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 Posted 11/09/2020  12:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1727 -- Free Hanseatic City of Hamburg, 4 schilling:

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 Posted 11/09/2020  04:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Princetane to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Era of big hair I love that, but its true, the smaller peruke wigs came in around 1730 - before that it was the age of overdone wiggs back to about 1661.

Its funny as to me, I think big hair I think from the Hippy period to around 1989 with hippie fright wigs, the hair musical - make it a home for the buzzing bees etc, afros, perms, Leo Sayer, long haired rock groups and the frizzy perms and jheri curls of the 80s ending with the late 80s hair metal look.
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 Posted 11/09/2020  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lubeck must have been coining a lot in the 1720s/1730s. I think I've got one with an unreadable date somewhere.
Another Liard of Lorraine for 1727. A bit easier on the eyes than my corroded 1729, but a more common date
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 Posted 11/09/2020  07:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fabulous coins, everyone! And a great write-up on the origins and history of Lorraine, @tdziemia, very interesting And that LOKKAINE LIAKD, which we discussed elsewhere, surfaces again

After some lurking time I'm back, with some French coins from the early 18th century. Here is the first.

France 1727, ½ louis d'or, Louis XV, mint Poitiers (G).

A ½ louis d'or was valued at 12 livres. After decades of monetary turbulence (more about that in the coming days), the value of money stabilized in 1726 and this stability lasted, with only minor adjustments, until the revolution in 1789.

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 Posted 11/09/2020  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1727 IHL - Hamburg (German States)
4 and 8 schilling :)

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 Posted 11/09/2020  11:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good to see you @erafjel.

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After decades of monetary turbulence, the value of money stabilized in 1726

"Next door" in Lorraine, Duke Leopold began issuing coins in 1700 for the first time since 1669, and pegged the size and value to similar major coins in France (Louis d'Or, silver ecus and fractions). DeSaulcy gives a history of all the changes in value of the Lorraine coinage from 1700-1726, and my head spins when I try to read it . So I will be interested to read your history for France in the coming weeks.

For 1726, I have this large 60 denier (=6 sous) billon coin of Lorraine
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 Posted 11/10/2020  05:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree that it is nice to see more gold from @era!

Here is a 2 Schilling from Hamburg dated 1726 AD:


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1726 -- Kingdom of Spain, 1 real:

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1726 -- City of Osnabruck, 3 pfennig:

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1726 -- Countship of Stolberg-Stolberg, 1/24 thaler:

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1725 -- Electorate of Brunswick-Luneburg-Calenberg-Hannover, 1 pfennig:

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