Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Specializing in Modern Numismatics 300,000 items to help build your collection! Royal Estate Auctions - $1 Coin AuctionsVancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 7,432 / Views: 402,222Next Topic
Page: of 496
Pillar of the Community
pepactonius's Avatar
United States
9395 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2020  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1722 -- Electorate of Pfalz, 20 kreuzer:

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379

(this coin has a strange look about it)
Bedrock of the Community
NumisRob's Avatar
United Kingdom
18138 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2020  04:24 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great Britain 1722 halfpenny:
How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
tdziemia's Avatar
United States
7996 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2020  07:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
(this coin has a strange look about it)


Not sure what you are seeing. I have a German/Polish coin for 1704 that appears to have been pretty well struck, but the surfaces of the devices have a roughness to them that doesn't look like normal wear (the fields on the other hand, are much smoother). I'm not experienced enough to know if this is the result of something in the planchet, the dies, or maybe a later cleaning (or a combination).
I also wonder about the age of the fingerprint on that Utrect duit. Lying next to the stripes on the shield, it makes for a neat visual effect.
Moderator
Learn More...
Spence's Avatar
United States
34506 Posts
 Posted 11/14/2020  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This 1722 dated Rosa Americana is my second-to-last coin meant to circulate in the US Colonies to post to this thread:

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb

"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
Pillar of the Community
pepactonius's Avatar
United States
9395 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2020  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1721 -- Kingdom of Great Britain, 1 farthing:

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
Pillar of the Community
pepactonius's Avatar
United States
9395 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2020  12:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1721 -- Archbishopric of Salzburg, 4 kreuzer:

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
erafjel's Avatar
Sweden
2124 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2020  04:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a lovely kreuzer, @pepactonius!

France 1721, ecu, Louis XV, Paris (A).

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379

This coin is struck on a previous ecu dated 1718 (you will see it in three days). It was part of the sixth and last reformation (overstrike) of gold and silver coins, a procedure that had been carried out repeatedly since 1690. Overstrikes were simpler and cheaper to perform than to melt down old coins and recoin into new, but often traces of the host coin remained visible, like on this one (I show the host coin aligned with the overstrike in another post).

The purpose of the series of overstrikes was to improve the state finances, which were in a terrible state after the many and long wars during the 17th century. At each overstrike, old coins were demonetized and mandatorily brought to the nearest mint, where they were bought at a specified price. (Remember that, apart from small change, French coins during the old regime had no denomination; their value in livres, sous, and deniers was set by royal decree and could vary from time to time. Usually there were fairly long intervals between such changes, but during the turbulent period 1690-1720 the value was changed about 50 times.) The overstruck coins were valued at a higher price, so for instance bringing in 6 ecus valued at 5 livres each - totaling 30 livres - you might get 5 overstruck ecus back, but valued at 6 livres each - again totaling 30 livres, but the extra ecu went to the Treasury ...

For this particular overstrike, the old ecus were paid with 6 livres each, the new overstrikes were valued at 9 livres each, so a fairly good profit for the Treasury.
Moderator
Learn More...
Spence's Avatar
United States
34506 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2020  07:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
That is a lovely kreuzer, @pepactonius!


I agree, but that Ecu of yours is not too bad either!

Here is a 4 Pfennig from the German Free City of Hildesheim dated 1721 AD:

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb

"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
tdziemia's Avatar
United States
7996 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2020  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
This coin is struck on a previous ecu dated 1718


I needed to look VERY closely! I noticed the word NOMEN of the "understrike" obverse starting around 11:30 above the laurel leaves in the king's crown. Then followed the legend backward to find the lower part of the 8 peeking out to the left of the V in "XV". Of course, the curved part of the shield is coming out of the king's nose!
Edited by tdziemia
11/15/2020 08:20 am
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
Keith67's Avatar
United States
6734 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2020  10:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1721 Kingdom of Spain (2 Reals)
How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
Bedrock of the Community
paralyse's Avatar
United States
12057 Posts
 Posted 11/15/2020  5:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't seen many coins from the Middle East posted, so let me change that at least for 1721.

1721 (AH 1133) - silver 'abbasi of the Safavid Dynasty
Persia (Isfahan mint), Sultan Husayn

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890

"Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis
Pillar of the Community
pepactonius's Avatar
United States
9395 Posts
 Posted 11/16/2020  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1720 -- Kingdom of Great Britain, 1/2 penny:

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
Pillar of the Community
pepactonius's Avatar
United States
9395 Posts
 Posted 11/16/2020  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1720-1835 -- French Establishments in India / Pondichery, 1 doudou:

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
Pillar of the Community
pepactonius's Avatar
United States
9395 Posts
 Posted 11/16/2020  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pepactonius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1720 -- Kingdom of Portugal and the Algarves, 1000 reis:

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379

How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
Bedrock of the Community
NumisRob's Avatar
United Kingdom
18138 Posts
 Posted 11/16/2020  03:39 am  Show Profile   Check NumisRob's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add NumisRob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1720 France Half Sol:
How-Far-Back-Can-We-Go?-Sixth-Edition!-Ended-At-1380-Waiting-On-1379
  Previous TopicReplies: 7,432 / Views: 402,222Next Topic
Page: of 496

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.6 seconds to rattle this change. Forums