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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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My brother to @tdz's Liard for today:

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1707 -- Hungarian Malcontents, 1 poltura:

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1707 -- Royal Mint of Silesia, 3 kreuzer:

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1707 -- Kingdom of Great Britain, 6 pence:

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1707 Russia Denga
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Great coins today!
1707 Saxony-Poland, 1/12 thaler (=2 groschen), Leipzig mint

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1706 -- Royal Mint of Silesia, 3 kreuzer:

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1706 -- Archbishopric of Salzburg, 1 kreuzer:

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Love all these coins guys, these German principates and other polities are interesting. Paralyse love your description of the 1709 coin. I am watching big bang theory at the same time and that description reminds me of a Sheldon like rant (A really good thing).

Big hair and intrigues - don't you love the early 1700s. Really good to see that Russian denga too Keith12, just a few years into Peter the Great's modernisation drive (Russia was coming with him or else). One decade further back and its back to wire money.
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1705 Saxony-Poland 1/24 thaler (=1 groschen), Dresden mint. (Having posted my last Lorraine and Ferrara coins for a while, I will be a "one trick pony" with these for most of rest of the decade).

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One decade further back and its back to wire money.
Wire money actually lasted all the way into the mid-1710s. Some day I might try to assemble a date set of Peter I's post-1700 dated issues; most of them aren't rare (...not in Russia, at least), they're just tricky to find with readable dates, because the flans were so much tinier than the dies.
One decade further back and we'd actually run out of wire money for a while; there were, to the best of my knowledge, no dated wire money issues between 1612-ish and 1695-ish.

I wonder if we'd see any wire money here before I post an example on Sunday...
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1705 -- Hungary Malcontents, 10 poltura:

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The era of big hair is also the era of indecipherable legends. Those Silesian coins we've seen recently have pretty complicated abbreviations. The Saxony-Poland coins I have posted in this decade have this legend:
D G FRID AUG REX POL DUX SAX (flip the coin to reverse) SAC ROM IMP ARCHIM & ELECT

As best I can tell, this translates to "By the Grace of God, Friedrich Augustus, King of Poland, Duke of Saxony, Vicar and Elector of the Holy Roman Empire."

Quite a c.v.

And now I need to learn about the Hungarian Malcontents
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Damn, I misted this 6th edition!
I had some nie coins for the early years!!
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"By the Grace of God, Friedrich Augustus, King of Poland, Duke of Saxony, Vicar and Elector of the Holy Roman Empire."

Almost correct

ARCHIM expands to Archimarescallus, which translates to Arch-Marshal (not Vicar). Arch-Marshal was not a military title, it was a high ceremonial office at the Imperial Court, held by the Elector of Saxony.
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