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@keith, beautiful Nuremberg coin!
And great coin and history @princetane.

1687 City of Hildesheim 1 mariengroschen. @paralyse gave some history on this type upthread. I think Hildesheim retained the image of Mary on theirs later than many other parts of Germany:
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I've been wanting a coin from Hildesheim for a long time, but I never seem to get around to getting one.

1687 -- Electorate of Saxony-Albertine, 1 pfennig:

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1687 -- Archduchy of Austria, 6 kreuzer:

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I've been wanting a coin from Hildesheim for a long time

That one came from MA-shops, and filled a date gap for me (no Polish coins in 1687 that I can afford) and my need for a Mariengroschen for my saints theme.
Your German states series is truly amazing and seems like it can't have too many gaps!
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Darn, I kind of want a German states series. But most of the German states coins I find cost ludicrous money and it's really hard to get myself to pay $7+ for a random 18th or 19th century piece with a date I already have just because it would be a new German state for me.

I did recently buy a neat obscure-ish-German-state coin from 1684 that I hope to remember to post in a few days... I want to say that it filled an OFEY gap, but best I can tell I didn't have any 1680s coins before*. I suppose it filled a "one from each decade" gap?

(Looking at Numista, my next decade gaps are 1580s, 1540s, 1500s, then nearly everything after that. I could swear I had something from the 1580s, but I don't recall what it might have been.)


*) ...Actually, I recently found a listing of my collection that I wrote down in 2013, which included a table of dates I had. So I checked it, and it said that I had a coin dated 1680, which was listed as number 304. Unfortunately, the page I found only goes to 301. The second page exists, but I hadn't seen it in years. So I have no idea what the 1680 was. I certainly don't remember it.
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1686 -- Margraviate of Brandenburg-Prussia, 6 groschen:

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1686 -- Electorate of Saxony-Albertine, 1/24 thaler

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A holey English threepence dated 1686:
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Beautiful, that was the one design James did different to Charles, using those Roman numerals on the Maundy values and even that was seen as Popish. Charles used western numbers and William returned to that when he became king in 1689.

Guys and gals - I am loving these gorgeous German silver coins and the Leopold the Hogmouth coins (Seriously that Habsburg chin, caused by generations of inbreeding).

Also in 1686, we are well into the Restoration wigg era with poodle hairdoes of all types. The major change was wigs were parted in the middle from this time, previously they were like skullcaps with no parts on them. It was hard to take some of these warrior kings seriously when they dressed up like a mix of Elton John, Liberace and every longhaired 60s and 70s shaggadoo hippie!
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Can anyone comment on the streaks on @pepactonius 6 groschen coin? I also see this a lot on similar sized Poland silver coins during this period. I assume it's a defect in planchet preparation (a black impurity that gets elongated when the metal is rolled out?). Would that point to some change in refining technology around this time?

1686 Bishopric of Wurzburg, schilling:
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I assume it's a defect in planchet preparation (a black impurity that gets elongated when the metal is rolled out?).


Yes an impure silver alloy being rolled into strip is my assumption too.



Here is a pretty ratty 1 Grosetto from Ragusa dated 1686 AD:

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1685 -- Margraviate of Brandenburg-Prussia, 1/12 thaler:

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Poland, 1685 szostak (6 groschen) Krakow mint.
The szostak/6 groschen coin was the most common denomination issued during this reign. The Bydgoszcz mint used a design with a laureate bust (1677-87), whereas the Krakow mint used a crowned bust (1682-1685).
As mentioned previously, no big hair for this monarch, who was too busy fighting off the Turks at Vienna to care about how his hair looked https://www.britannica.com/event/Si...Vienna-1683.
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1685 English shilling - King James II:
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Here is a 15 Kreuzer from Austria (Vienna mint) dated 1685 AD:

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