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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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Lovely range of 1660s there, @jgenn!

Orange 1660, 1/12 ecu, William of Orange.

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In 1660 William of Orange was just 10 years old. He made a remarkable career, ending up as king William III of England, Scotland and Ireland in 1689.

The principality of Orange was entirely surrounded by France and the papal state Comtat Venaissin. Despite a strained relationship with France, the principality gladly minted coins that were look-alikes of those of its mighty neighbor - to the benefit of the international trade, no doubt. This 1/12 ecu is almost a direct copy of the French denomination, although with the portrait of the equally young Louis XIV replaced with that of William. The reverse even displays the coat of arms of France, not the one of Orange!
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Jgenn, yes definitely 1660 is your year. You really cover the spectrum there and I love the Spanish piece of eight coin, milled ones before 1732 are pretty hard to get (I saw one from 1590 on a book years ago).

It's good to see those coins together and see how well made and thought out coins were back then. No generic factory made stuff like now back then!
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@jgenn, that's an amazing group for 1660!
Probably everyone else here knows this, but I could not figure out the first one .

And @erafjel, I was not aware that Orange existed as an independent principality into the 18th century. The history sounds a bit like that of Lorraine, with a French incursion in the 1670s, and eventually incorporation into the French kingdom in the next century.

For 1660, I have more Poland, a 6 groschen coin minted in Krakow. (Then a rough patch for me until 1655)
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@tdziemia: About Orange, yes, although it was a tiny province in comparison to Lorraine it caused Louis XIV some headache, maybe mostly because it was a refuge for French protestants, and also I guess because of William of Orange being the leader of the Dutch republic as well, in the Franco-Dutch war (a bit later).

France 1660, 1/12 ecu, Louis XIV, Limoges (I).

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Here is then the original 1/12 ecu (we have seen it here before), extensively copied by French feudal states and Italian city states due to its popularity as a trade coin in the Levant (despite its small size, it weighs only 2.3 g). The Italians called it luigino, "Little Louis," in some form of honor to its origin.
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1660 -- Electorate of Saxony-Albertine, 3 pfennnig:

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Probably everyone else here knows this, but I could not figure out the first one


Münster Klippe with more information about the reason for the siege here:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces155458.html

For today, I have another Polish Solidus:

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Here is a 2 Albus from the German Archbishopric of Cologne dated AD 1659:

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1659 -- Kingdom of France, 1/12 ecu:

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1658 Hungary Thaler
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Great eye candy to start off the thread today @keith!

Here is a 3 Kreutzer from Austria dated AD 1658:

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Great eye candy

and noticed we are (finally) out of Leopold's reign now.

I have a homely 1658 solidus/schilling minted in Gdansk, Poland:

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1658 -- Dominion of Swedish Livonia / Riga, 1 solidus:

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1658 -- Duchy of Saxe-Weimar, 3 pfennig:

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Wow, is that really yours - those coins are incredibly rare, yet also very beautiful.

By that stage Oliver Cromwell was king in all but name. I mean he is wearing an imperial wreath, the head gear of choice for all 17th century absolute rulers and emperors besides a crown and a flowing wig!
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