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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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Gustav Adolf pastries
Those sound delicious! Sadly my visit to Sweden was earlier in the calendar and such sweets were not available at the patasseries. I'm pretty sure I did ok though.

Here is a another 1/24 Thaler from the Swedish-occupied city of Elbing (Polish Confederation). Same as yesterday, only dated 1633 AD:

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1632 Spanish Netherlands / County of Flanders ducaton, young bust:
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1632 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Ferdinand II.

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Here is a another 1/24 Thaler from the Swedish-occupied city of Elbing (Polish Confederation). Same as yesterday, only dated 1632 AD:

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... and my step-brother to @spence's coin (mine is Kop. 9610 with legend MON NO REG SVE on the orb side, whereas @Spence has Kop.9609 with MON NO CIVI ELB).

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1631 Swedish Occupation of ELbing, 3 groschen (trojak) (coins from the occupation with an image of Gustaf are tough to get in higher grades)

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Coins getting interesting now and I see hammered are taking over from milled coins.
Tdiziema's Spanish Flemish coin too, is the first to show an impressive ruff, proof we have left the wigs of the mid to late 17th century behind and we are tearing towards that Renaissance page boy look via the big berets with feathers and elaborate waistcoasts, vests and codpieces of the 1500s (Charles V, Henry VIII, Francois etc).
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1631 Swedish Occupation of ELbing, 3 groschen (trojak) (coins from the occupation with an image of Gustaf

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Here is a Denier Tournois from France dated 1631 AD:

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Here is a 1631 2 Kreuzer from Brandenburg-Bayreuth
Struck for Christian, Margrave of Brandenburg-Bayreuth

Christian was a hardy fellow, living to the ripe old age of 74 in an era when the average man who survived childhood had a best life expectancy of 50-60 years in most cases.

(To elaborate, one study in Britain found that prior to the 18th c. the average all-cause mortality rate there for children less than 5 years old was anywhere from 1 in 4 (25%) to 4 in 10 (40%) so just making it to adulthood was a feat in and of itself!)

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For 1630 we can stay in Elbing again with another Gustav 1/24 Thaler. Pretty rough shape but relatively intact and legible.

(MON NO CIVI ELB type)

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@paralyse, I think those 1/24 thaler coins (also called poltorak or dreipolker) had a value of 1 1/2 groschen?
@princetane, indeed, since @spence's lovely 1639 Silesia coin we have a procession of these thick ruffed collars (which must have been terribly uncomfortable). Some form of this collar is with us back to 1588 on Polish coins, and even earlier I think for some other places in Europe.

Gustav apparently preferred a flat collar for a few years : 1630 Swedish occupation of Elbing, 1 groschen:
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1630 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Ferdinand II.

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1630 is a year in which I keep finding coins that fit my numismatic interests.
Silesia, 3 kreuzer, Glatz mint (Glatz is today the city called Klodzko in southwest Poland).

It's a bit tough to keep track of all the Hapsburg Ferdinands:
- Ferdinand II was Holy Roman Emperor from 1619-1637, and is the Ferdinand named on EddieDiz' coin.
- Ferdinand III (his son), became King of both Bohemia and Hungary in 1627 and is the Ferdinand named on my coin (and would become Holy Roman Emperor in 1637, showing up on @spence's Silesian coins of 1637 and 1639).

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