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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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This Lithuanian coin is a little larger--my Half Groschen dated 1558 AD:

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Thanks all, for the comments. I've built my Poland OFEY collection considerably since the last edition of How Far Back. 1550s can get a bit monotonous with the halfgroats, but I've got a few denars coming up.
1558 Lithuanian halfgroat like @spence, but without the nice patina:
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A Daalder from the Netherlands, in the name of Philip II stuck at the mint of Dordrecht in Holland in 1557
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Hungary 1 Denar 1557:
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I will have to 'bow out' after this unless I can find some English hammered coins that can be exactly dated by their mintmarks!
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Nice early daalder.

1557 Lithuanian halfgroat (then a break from halfgroats for a few days)
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1557 Lithuanian halfgroat (then a break from halfgroats for a few days)


Same here:
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Lovely!
1556 Duchy of Lorraine 1/4 teston.
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Here is a another Drier from the German Electorate of Brandenburg. It is dated as 1556 AD:

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Ironically enough, my 1556 coin is Polish - though at least it's not a halfgroat...

(Somehow it feels like last week that we talked about it in the Fifth Edition.)

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Poland, Sigismund II, free city of Danzig (Gdansk), denar, (15)56.

This type was minted with minimal (if any) differences, aside from the date, across multiple decades and multiple nominal rulers. I forgot how Numista classifies them, but I recall I found it weird. (It wasn't all on one page.) IIRC for a while Numista didn't have this date at all.

Yet again I never got around to making better pics. (The tiny and dark coin is not very conductive to being photographed, but I surely could have done better than that.)

I vaguely recall that I had multiple coins dated in the mid-1550s, but the only ones I have photos of are this one and a Lithuanian denar with a probably-illegible date that I used to read as 1555. I think there might have been [EDIT: definitely was] an Indian coin from 1554. Numista tells me I have a Hungarian denar from 1557; if I bothered to check yesterday I could have looked for it.

From (just outside the nominal gates of) the Aurora coin fair, ~$5 (I forgot the exact price), sometime late 2016 (I forgot the exact date), at the same place and probably from the same seller as the 1616 ternar.
Silly fun fact: I met that seller at the Taganka open-air coin market earlier today (he recognized me from the ternar sale, but I forgot to ask his name).
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For 1555 I have the next earlier date of @j1m's coin, this denar from Gdansk. And indeed, that same design was issued through four reigns in the 1500s, and the 1573 interregnum (my coin for 1573). They were dated between 1546-1599, though not all years.
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Here is a 3 Kreuzer from the German Free City of Isny dated 1555 AD:

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Here is a Groschen from the German Countship of Stolberg-Konigstein-Rochefort dated AD 1554:

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I'm loving the parade of obscure (at least to me) German city-states

1554 England, Phillip and Mary shilling
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Lovely coins from all corners of Europe!

France 1553, teston, Henry II, Paris (A).

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One of the earliest French milled coins.

It was Henry II who introduced milled coinage in 1551. Then a new mechanical mint in Paris was opened, called Monnaie du Moulin (The Milled Mint), with water-driven sheet rolling and cutting, and screw presses. There the testons were minted until Henry's death 1559. The conservative Paris Mint Board was not fond of the invention, and after Henry's death they intervened and re-introduced hammering. After that, mechanical coining was restricted to medals and small denomination copper issues. It was not until 1640 that Louis XIII mandated that milled coining should be used for all coins with portraits.
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1553 Lithuanian halfgroat (the first in another string).
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