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 Posted 10/14/2008  3:28 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add snitchard to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I just called my local coin shop and found out that a coin I want is $10 but "The Red Book" lists the coin for $9. I'm not too concerned about paying a dollar more but how serious should I take " Red Book" values?

Also, what advantages would I have to opening an ebay and Pay Pal account? I'm a little scared of buying from ebay even though I know a lot of collectors do so.

Thanks,
Rich
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 Posted 10/14/2008  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpringCypress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have a hard time paying RedBook prices for coins. I use RedBook prices for insurance purposes as they're generally a little (not a lot) on the high side.

That said, they're might be a reason said dealer is asking more than RedBook for the coin. it might have some crazy toning or some such.

I know a lot of people bad mouth ebay on here, but I absolutely love it. Be Smart, bid on auctions with good images, and buy from good sellers and you'll be fine (and I'm willing to be pay about half of what the dealer is asking for the same coin).
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 Posted 10/14/2008  3:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It depends on the coin ,,the RedBook when it comes out is almost a year old information .

some coins move within that time and up to date info is what should be used .

take a look at the ebay auctions and find the same coin and watch what the market is supporting on the coin your talking about .

also try looking around on teletrade and heritage for slabbed examples and estimated grade of your coin ,real time values are far better than RedBook prices , use the RedBook as a base line but do not rely solely on it for pricing .

also brick and mortar coin shops need to make money to stay in business they have an actual overhead .

If you like the store and the people who operate it support them with a few dollars in profit on their coins ! you may even develope a great relationship there where the pricing will change a little after a time .
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 Posted 10/14/2008  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Madmartigan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On the ebay side just be careful. Do a search on this fourms for the sellers name. People post both good and bad sellers down in the auction threads. Stay away or take the so called "unsearched" and other such auctions with a large block of salt. If you are looking for specific type coins ebay is good. Just do your research or purchase graded coins from the top 2 or 3 dealers (PCGS, NGC). I purchse "lots" of coins from ebay many times and watch and bid on other auctions. Sometimes you can get a pretty good deal.
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 Posted 10/14/2008  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Check wheatiefan's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add wheatiefan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You will have to open an ebay account if you want to bid. One advantage is that when you are signed in, you can look at "Completed Auctions" for the last 60 days. You can look at the range of prices in the last 60 days, then watch current auctions for a few weeks, and you will have a good idea of the going rate for the coin you're interested in.

I may be wrong, but I think you don't need a paypal account unless you plan on selling. You can pay through paypal with a credit card without an account. I'm sure they'll try to hassle you into signing up, but it's not strictly necessary.

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 Posted 10/14/2008  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bilbo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm betting a nickel the coin you wish to purchase from your local dealer is the '82 Washington Commemorative Proof discussed in another thread.

I bet you can find it for $5 or $6 on ebay, but there will most likely be an additional charge for shipping. I think it is worth spending the $10 as a first step in getting to know the dealer, and may help you decide if you want to continue to work with him for future (and possibly bigger) purchases.
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 Posted 10/15/2008  12:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Bilbo 100%. E-bay will charge you way to much for shipping most of the time. I have seen charges for single cents in the $3-4 range.(OUCH) The reason is if you wanted to return it your shipping and handling are most of the time non-refundable and they use that so they can still make money on the deal should you want a refund. I was notified on this forum that I could buy a set of uncirulated dollar coins $20 cheaper if I went to a store.That sure saved me alot. Also shopping at a store you are able to take a good look at what your buying and able to hand it back for no charge. This forum is another great place to shop besides a store.
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I've bought many coins on ebay but from few dealers. I've also bought from individuals who are clearing out estates, but many of them are clueless when it comes to descriptions, so you have to be careful and willing to accept some clinkers from time to time. I've had both good and bad luck with auctions - I bought a mint set a few weeks ago for less than the face value of the coins, for example, but last summer I bought a lot of foreign coins that was misdescribed as including 1800's coins, which it didn't, and paid triple what the lot probably was worth (and the seller refused to respond to my e-mail telling him what I thought of his deception). Many ebay dealers are scrupulously honest and will also take back coins that are mis-described and work with you if what you receive isn't quite what you thought you were getting. Just be sure that you communicate thoroughly with them when you have a problem; don't just complain - ask exactly for what you want. Look for dealers who have a 99% or better feedback percentage. And if you run into a bad one, report him. As far as shipping goes, avoid "flat rate" shippers who don't combine items when at all possible. Research the cost of sending an item that, with a padded envelope, would weigh only a few ounces. If you pay $10 for a coin to be shipped, you definitely are feeding a dealer (and his hungry family), lol. And don't forget to add insurance to all transactions; I'm dealing with two lost-shipment situations right now, for example, and the $1.30 I added for insurance is a good investment.
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I may be wrong, but I think you don't need a paypal account unless you plan on selling.

Under some new rules for sellers that are supposed to go into effect this month, sellers will no longer be able to accept checks or money orders in payment for auctions. They already couldn't accept cash. This means that pretty much the ONLY payment form the sellers can accept is paypal. If they can only take paypal, then all the buyers will have to have paypal accounts.
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 Posted 10/15/2008  12:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add penny pincher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The biggest downfall for you is your sight (which you have mentioned in other threads) so great pictures are a must. I think you have done the first step by getting the RedBook and looking at different places to buy things now it is just jumping in and doing so. Paying a dollar or two extra is a personal decision, if you really want the coin then the little extra is worth it but if it is just an impulse buy then you might have been taken advantage of.

ebay is a great place to find coins because of how people have extras that they are trying to get rid of and figure they can get a little better price than their local coin shop. If you spend a fair amount of time doing research and looking around you can actually find what you want for a great price. I have bought about 50+ coins and have only paid once for more than it was worth just because I really wanted it. Take the advice of others and really look at what they are charging for shipping, for example, I could have bought a nice set of Olympic coins for about $40 if I wanted to pay the $900 for shipping and handling. Also, if you find a seller you like bookamrk them and check their other listings, sometimes buying another coin will bring your final costs dwn and add another great coin to the collection.
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