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Rest in Peace
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I recently purchased this coin for my type set. It very much appears to be the 1861/0 overdate, in close comparisons to the illustration in the RedBook and heritage auctions. I was hoping to have some confirmation on this? Also, what grade? I think it is barely XF overall, though the head is VERY weakly struck compared to the rest of the coin. I love it though. :-) Image:  9e75_1.jpg26.63 KB Image: date.jpg50.22 KB Image: obverses.jpg84.65 KB Image: reverses.jpg86.01 KB Edited by johnny54321
10/16/2008 2:28 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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According to the photo in breens this is the 1861/0 or at least it looks like it . Breen number 3102 .
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Rest in Peace
 United States
4849 Posts |
Cool. that's what I thought. any opinion on grade?
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I would normally grade VF-25, I'll bump it to 35 because of the outstanding reverse.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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While I'm far from an expert at grading these , this one looks very close to EF-40 .
will you be sending the coin in for attribution and grading ?
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Pillar of the Community
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It also has an awesome clash on the obverse right of the staff and between the staff and shoulder. There is no letter/number transfer, so it's just neat and has no associated premium. I would give it EF40, but just barely. That's a keeper!  |
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I agree, it looks like the overdate.
Nice find.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It is NOT the same coin as that pictured in Breen for the overdate. Note that the positioning of the 1 over the denticals is different. There is a real problem with identifying an 1861/0 Half Dime because it doesn't really exist. The 0 under the 1 is actually just irregularities in the surface of the date punch. Traces of them can be seen on early die state examples of all varieties of 1861 Half Dime |
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The date does look slightly shifted to the right from the picture in breens ,(something I missed until prompted by conder to look at ) and that would make it a different die, I still have to wonder how and why two seperate dies could not produce similar varieties and both be called an overdate ?
it seems like the anomoly would be caused by the number punch and that makes then both unique no matter the placement ,if one is an overdate then they both should be an overdate ?
any conversation on how that can be ? two dies both producing very similar oddities one considered an overdate the other would be considered what ?
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Bedrock of the Community
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It IS possible to have multiple overdated dies for a given year (there are six different overdated large cent dies in 1800 that produced eleven different overdate varieties) But the dates are punched into the dies by hand which means that the overdate would be slightly different on each die because the placement of the new punch over the old punch would not be exactly the same relative to each other. But early die states of all of the varieties of 1861 Half Dimes show the exact same "overdate" features. Ths could only be true if the "features" were in the 1861 date punch and not as a result of being punched over an 1860 date. All of the varieties have all been offered and sold as "the 61/0 overdate". It just depends on the state of the die and how strongly the defects frome the punch are visible. |
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Posted 10/16/2008 10:47 pm
