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I have a 1964 D lincoln. As soon as I can get the images to post where you can see the letters correctly, i'll post them. I am looking at the outlining of lincoln and I can see 2 lines insted of 1. Looking at the letters and comparing them to some
on the internet and my doubling is more like a letter on top of
another. I found one person who statated this about another persons 1964 ( which looks nothing like mine ):
" This coin exhibits hub doubling that occurred as a result of the raised images on the hub becoming flattened and thicker than normal. When one normal hub is impressed into the die, and then is followed by a flattened hub, the resulting image is much thicker than normal. On extreme examples, you can see notching of the serifs. However, normally all that can be seen is extra thickness to the letters and digits. Being able to quickly detect this kind of hub doubling requires a firm mental image of what a normal coin looks like. See hub doubled varieties."
I can't find any pictures. Does any one have pictures here? and it does not have to be 1964.
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Pillar of the Community
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What!? How would anyone have a pic of your coin? Cant you post pics of this coin your talking about? also chaeck https://www.coppercoins.com they have alot of varieties you might find what your talking about! |
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Hi,
We need to see the pictures. What you quoted is talking about something very specific on a specific coin. It should not be taken, no matter who wrote it as a general piece of information that would apply to every similar looking coin.
There is a difference between similar and exact. The same look being described can also be expected on coins in the 1960s , struck by worn dies.
Once you post pictures, we might be able to help.
Thanks,
Bill
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Nateashaf - What you describe in your quoted text is class 6, distended hub doubling. Now assuming that you know what a typical 1945D cent looks like, you should easily spot what's wrong with this one....this is a class 6 doubled die:  |
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Chuck,
That's a very nice one too!
Bill
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I found a post here like that answers one of the questions I wanted to know. His post: https://goccf.com/t/36950His picture: http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/...half-6-3.jpgNow... I own some cents from the 1960's, and most of them are similar to mikep's 1984. I can't seem to get a good scan, I feel that the one's I have are not zoomed in good enough....But I ran across someone with a similar 1964-D, I assume he thought he had a DDO, and the person who replied gave that statement above about hub doubling. I forgot to add in the first post that half of this person's replies were that it was hub doubling, and half of the replies argued Machine Doubling. Now here on mikep's question to his 1984, the replies are Mechanical Doubling, my cents almost look the same. I have one of those magnifiers that are designed to look at coins, and looking through it, most of the 1960's that I have look alot like mikep's and when I go to scan them, can't see what I see looking at it with the magnifying device. This 1964-D that I will put for all to see here does not show all the doubling that I see. And I wanted to know if it's hub doubling or mechanical...or a just a bad cent for education. Now if you look really hard ( and not the dings ), you might see the doubling in the N in "IN", in "GOD" the W in "WE", both T's in "TRUST". I see it in ell the lettering. It's visible to me in "LIBERTY" and in the date and mint mark. There is doubling starting at the eyebrow ( edging ), then it stops just at the start of the top of his nose. It resumes again at the top of his upper lip/bottom of nose, and stops right at the tip of his beard/lower lip, resumes at the start of the neckline and ends at the bottom of the neck, it shows right in the small curve at the lower area or rather the bottom of the tie, then it stops kind of diagonal of the 1. The only doubling in the back of lincoln starts right at the tip of the collar and ends kind of diagonal to the bottom of the Y in "LIBERTY". If I mirror the magnifier , I can see more. This is the best pictures I can get on a more detailed but damaged one http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/...scan0002.jpghttp://i306.photobucket.com/albums/...scan0001.jpghttp://i306.photobucket.com/albums/...scan0003.jpghttp://i306.photobucket.com/albums/...scan0004.jpghttp://i306.photobucket.com/albums/...scan0005.jpghttp://i306.photobucket.com/albums/...scan0006.jpghttp://i306.photobucket.com/albums/...scan0008.jpg |
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The area around the neck looks like die movement. The design is pushed or distorted making the other lines. The rest of the design looks normal with minor Machine Doubling. Here is an image of a DDO for 1964 on the area under the L and above the 4. https://www.coincommunity.com/forum..._coop_01.jpgSame on 1963 https://www.coincommunity.com/forum..._coop_01.jpgOn a 1962. Note the extra height & width of devices created by the doubled hubbing. https://www.coincommunity.com/forum..._COOP_01.jpghttps://www.coincommunity.com/forum.../1962_62.jpghttps://www.coincommunity.com/forum...op_008PR.jpgThe devices through this time era are a little wider than what we see today. But each year may vary in size of devices. That is just the design for that year. But the devices pictured have a doubling that is raised from the coin. On the die this area would have been hubbed differently than the first/second/third hubbings. So each coin made from this die has the same raised areas next to the devices. On a machine doubled coin we see the area on the device as pushed/moved because of a machine malfunction and not a die issue. Most machine doubled examples are not exactly alike from the same run. Some major, some minor and some normal. Just depends on the movement of the dies during the strike. But the biggest difference is the size of the devices. On Machine Doubling they are usuall the same size as a normal coin. With a doubled die, because the hubbing was not aligned/same hub/hub worn the devices are increased in size. Some with notching on the corners. But keep the coin for now and after you've researched doubled dies for a time, then re-check. You might find you eye has grown in knowledge and you yourself will know for sure that it is or not a doubled die. Always nice to look back to see progress made. |
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Sorry, Bud, there's no doubling on that coin at all. I cannot even comment on what you're talking about because it just isn't there. You have a very badly cleaned but otherwise completely normal 1964D cent. The other coin - the 1984 - is a strong case of Machine Doubling, which also has no premium value. |
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Thanks for the response, for the doubling I am asking about, there is...I promise, and I didn't expect you to see what I do. As you can tell, I can only use this scanner and a coin magnifier until I can invest in a good digital microscope or something. I'll keep trying so you guys can see. As for the cleaning, I figured whoever owned it before me did that....I know better. I didn't clean it, I found it it that way. I found this one an a few other ones like this, I wanted to keep these for education purposes only.
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Nate - I'm not going to argue the point, Bud...but I can tell you for certain that there is NO doubling on the coin you posted a photo of. I have been through thousands upon thousands of 1964 cents - I own over 10,000 of them in uncirculated condition. I've been doing this for over a quarter century and have written and published a book on the subject. Your coin is normal...sorry.
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