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Wow So I Asked For Auction Appraisal From Heritage

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The below is a coin that I would never get slabbed, and I picked up for less than grey sheet, assuming they paid $30 to get it slabbed they didn't get 50% of that cost. So the lesson is "SLAB what ever you want, but don't except to get your cost back"

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If they submit in bulk and get one or two "winners" then they can cover the losses on the rest. It is a gamble, but many seem to do well with it.
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When submitting in bulk lots, graders tends to overlook some varieties. I recently bought a NGC MS-65 1945 micro 'S' dime labeled as a regular 45 - S for less than a 1/3 of what it would cost to buy.
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If they submit in bulk and get one or two "winners" then they can cover the losses on the rest. It is a gamble, but many seem to do well with it.


I've heard this before but my LCS even with Bulk to NGC or PCGS still pays around $40 per coin. And I believe that's when he sends in 100 coins, so if he sends in 100 Mercury dimes and he gets 98 back at 64-66 and 2 at 68 he still has to sell those 68 at a crazy profit. I really think that the vast majority or people (like the ones that come on here) are the ones getting everything slabbed. I see people asking to and slabbing MS 64 modern nickels , they aren't worth more than a dollar or 2. I really believe people will just slab anything. People slab bullion ASE, think about that, it's a bullion coin.. why would you slab it? It's value is based on bullion?
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I've heard this before but my LCS even with Bulk to NGC or PCGS still pays around $40 per coin.



Almost impossible to be true.

PCGS the bulk price for collector members is $12 a coin and for big submitters its even cheaper.

Unless NGC has made a change NGC charges you by the grade. 66 cost more than 65 but less than 67 etc. If he is actually paying $40 a coin then he's getting really high grades and doing just fine
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The LCS said his total cost for bulk grade comes out to about $40 per coin. I didn't ask for a breakdown, but that includes shipping , insurance and whatever else to the grader and shipping back. I doubt he pays $12 (almost all his coins are NGC) per coin that seems low but I haven't gotten anything graded so I can't confirm or deny. I also doubt that he sends any low MS coins for grading, most of his stuff is high MS (65+). He did grade a few gold coins at PF70. I actually hate to say this but he has the 2016 Mercury gold at PF 70 on hold for me. It's my first perfect coin (well that's graded), actually charging me less than one with the case from the mint..
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The LCS said his total cost for bulk grade comes out to about $40 per coin.


Then hes just feeding you lines. That would be more expensive than the non bulk price. The per coin insurance and shipping cost is very minimal on bulks like a dollar or two a coin if that.

I'm giving you a heads up that this guy you think is so honest may not be as honest as you think since he certainly isn't being honest here



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doubt he pays $12 per coin that seems low but I haven't gotten anything graded so I can't confirm or deny.


That's the PCGS price but what do I know I've only done multiple bulks. I wouldn't have posted that if it wasn't true. Call PCGS tomorrow and ask if you want
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I trust him more than I trust you. He has no reason to lie to me. I don't pay more for a slabbed coin than a raw. So what he tells me is probably accurate. I doubt he sends in 100's of coins as 1 he would only grade what's worth grading and 2 most of what he gets in is already slabbed. So he grades only higher value coins, no reason to grade a $15 coin by paying $12 like you say it costs.

So let's say he sends in 50 coins.

The economy cost is $17 per coin, then you have shipping, insurance , handling cost, labor costs to pack and ship, labor costs to unpack and store, handling fees, labor costs to put the information in a computer, filling out the forms and cost fees tied up in the time that they are at the TPG. His estimate is that each coin to get graded costs him about $40. It seems very reasonable, if you time is free I need my lawn cut. I'll provide the lawnmower.
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02/12/2020 8:40 pm
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Lol now the story changes. Can you just do us all a favor and stay out of these with how much misinformation you spread about grading and costs?

No one is paying $40 a coin on a bulk submission, no one.


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The economy cost is $17 per coin, then you have shipping, insurance , handling cost, labor costs to pack and ship, labor costs to unpack and store, handling fees, labor costs to put the information in a computer, filling out the forms and cost fees tied up in the time that they are at the TPG. His estimate is that each coin to get graded costs him about $40.


You are absolutely insane and just trolling if you're literally trying to argue that there's $23 dollars a coin in added cost over a submission fee.

Let the people who actually know what they're talking about handle these issues instead of you misleading people constantly

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It is also possible he is sending in a lot of coins, but he is NOT doing a bulk submission. A bulk submission is (If I remember correctly) a minimum of of 100 coins all of one type and no more than 4 date/mint combinations. Shipping and insurance can be by registered mail and $100 in shipping costs ($50 each way) will cover $50,000 in insured value. So cost is $1,200 for grading, $100 for shipping and insurance, $10 submission fee or $1,310 or $13 per coin. Now if he wants to get the coins there faster he could send them overnight priority insured and that will add another $600 to $1000 to the shipping expense, but that would still only bring it to $22 per coin max.

If it is really costing him $40 per coin then he is NOT doing bulk submissions.
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I just came from the LCS, he confirmed his cost is between 35 and 40 per coin. There are 2 options for him to get coins graded, the lower cost takes too long about 6 weeks which is too long to tie up stock, so he does standard which takes about 2 weeks. He sends in about 200 coins per year and doesn't do bulk as he only grades high value coins and they aren't like all Morgans/Peace etc. He grades mostly Key Dates, high cost errors and older coins (like seated liberty, trade or gold coins pre 1930 if they warrant it).

So I will stick with my original number it costs him about $40 per coin to her graded.

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02/13/2020 11:16 am
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So your number is right, but as you confirmed he is doing standard grading not bulk grading no matter how many coins he is sending in. BIG difference.
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He doesn't have 100 coins that he would want to submit. He has hundreds of Morgan's and Peace dollars but he sells them at $17-$21, not worth to grade these and his customers won't buy slabbed common dollars. Again, this isn't one of the larger dealers that sell hundreds of silver dollars at a price I have no idea why buyers pay that, but that's not my circus or my monkeys. I buy from the LCS as I get prices for great coins.

And you are correct he doesn't do bulk, I assumed since he said he slabs around 200 coins per year they were bulk. Question could he even submit bulk as those 200 coins are different? Everything from 1/2 cents to foreign gold.
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No if he is sending in all different coins he can't do a bulk submission. As I mentioned earlier to qualify for a bulk submission it has to be at least 100 coins of the same type with no more than 4 different date/mint combinations. Bulk is usually done for very common coins such as Morgans, Peace dollars, SAE's, and moderns. Things that you can get large quantities of, cherry pick out the best pieces, and still have over a hundred coins to submit. Then hope your high grade winners pay for the whole submission. That way all the rest you have $0 in so whatever you sell them for is pure profit.
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