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Could This Be A Roman Imitative Barbarous Radiate?

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Ancients are a new area for me and I have been introduced to the sub area of restoring ancients.

I am thinking this may be a Roman Imitative Barbarous Radiate;
obverse DIVO CLAVDIO, radiate head right; reverse CONSECRATIO, eagle

Am I correct?
What do the letters on the reverse mean?


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It's official and a lifetime issue. The legend starts IMP C C(LAVDIVS PF AVG) and is the right style for Rome.

Reverse isn't an eagle, but maybe Libertas holding a pileus (freedman's cap)?

Also, for Claudius having a deification obverse paired with any lifetime reverse is rare, but not an immediate indication of it being a barbarous coin. Her is one of mine, an official Rome mint product:

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The mint at Rome was managed by a deeply corrupt man named Felicissimus, whose name we know because his crimes were so great (stealing silver and encouraging his men to do the same) that he was put to death by Aurelian, but not before he used his ill-gotten gains to raise an army of mercenaries and gladiators to defend him.

Barbarous coins of Claudius II are almost entirely comprised of imitations of his deification types, but are often in a good but distinctly non-official style:

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Finn 235 - thinks for your response.

I could only find one reverse with similar letters, and that was on a Barbarous Radiate here:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/c....com/Coins2/

I can see the similarity to Libertas you are suggesting, but have not found one similar to my coin. I am not sure I am going to end up with a useable ID!!
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I agree an official issue.
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Thanks for the help. I think I have my ID:


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RIC 63v Claudius II AE Antoninianus 18.50mm. Rome. 269 AD. IMP CLAVDIVS AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust right / LIBERT AVG, Libertas standing left, holding pileus and vertical sceptre. RIC V-1, 63 var (sceptre); cf Sear5 11349.
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Regarding the "moneyers' revolt" hybrids which @finn235 mentioned, they are believed to be products of the Rome mint but 'unofficial', meaning they were produced surreptitiously, outside of official channels. Here are a couple of similar examples from VCoins, including historical notes: https://www.vcoins.com/it/stores/da...Default.aspx

My last day of Latin class was more than 40 years ago but I believe the quote from Aurelius Victor translates something like:

"At this time in the city of Rome, the workers of the mint rebelled, who at the instigation of the rationalis (mint official) Felicissimus had "gnawed away" (corrosissent, i.e. falsified?) the "brand" (notam, i.e. type, seal, imprimatur) of the money; fearing punishment, they fought a war culminating in a pitched battle met on the Caelian Hill in which seven thousand fighters were killed."



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