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 Posted 10/21/2008  02:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MickeyJ to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi

I am curious to know whether the coin I have has an error or not, as I have not come across one since. It is an Australian 1984 One Dollar coin and on the reverse side it has the heard of kangaroos but no words (ie '1 Dollar'). I would have thought the whole design (image and text) would have been in the one die?!

Has anyone else seen one of these?
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 Posted 10/21/2008  06:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day,
we'd love to see a photo' or a scan, please.
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 Posted 10/22/2008  02:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could be a die fill, although I have not seen one where the 'Dollar" was missing.

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 Posted 10/22/2008  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is most likely the only way anyone will be able to tell if it's die fill or whether some enterprising person decided to 'alter' rhe coin for fun.

I'd be inclined to think that if all of "1 Dollar" is also missing, it's not an error, but a picture may tell a different story.
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 Posted 10/22/2008  9:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Davidson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes pics would be great.
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 Posted 11/11/2008  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MickeyJ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for the delay. I have placed it next to another from the same year. Pictures have been compressed also.


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 Posted 11/11/2008  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day,
that's very nifty.
I don't recall seeing anything similar, but I'll certainly be on the look-out now.

I do not profess any expertize in this area, but if this were a case of post-mint damage, I would expect to see something at the points where the figure "1" and the letters "OL" overlap skippy's tail and hindlegs.
I can't see anything obvious in these pics. The next step would be to get your best magnifying glass out, and to examine those areas carefully, to see if the "1 DOLLAR" have been removed by grinding, or whatever.

I think the likely answer is that this IS post-mint damage, and that your example is reasonably-well executed.

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 Posted 11/12/2008  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Without a closer photograph, I agree with Peter.
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 Posted 11/12/2008  03:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would have to be post mint doctoring. Too big an oversight to leave that much detail off a die.
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 Posted 11/12/2008  04:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with the 3 opinions above. Too much detail missing to have been left off a die, plus it's taken too long to 'surface' as well.
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 Posted 11/12/2008  05:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MickeyJ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where can I take it to get it looked at by someone who knows about these sorts of things? (Pics obviously aren't gonna cut it). I'm in Melbourne.

I'll try for a closer pic of the areas of interest (the macro setting on my little digi cam isn't as good as I thought! Or should I post full res pic?).
What I notice is the background has 'texture', unlike the other coin, but is consistant over the whole surface where there aren't any kangaroos. Also the legs and tail of the main kangaroo and the paws of the second kangaroo don't seem to be blemished at all.

Nancy - that's what I was curious about - how could it have not been picked up for 20 years in circulation! I was counting up the till at the end of a days work at my parents shop when I came across it. Or why would someone go to that much effort and put it back into circulation?

Thanks for the comments so far. Still keen for more feedback.
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 Posted 11/12/2008  08:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't much to add, but that's very interesting all the same.
The background texture might also suggest it was tooled, especially if you can see individual tool marks that appear cut into the coin. If a texture as added to the die, marks would be raised on the surface.
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 Posted 11/12/2008  4:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Post mint damage. Cant be die fill or the legs of the roo would be missing. You could take it into Downies in the City and ask for an opinion there.
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 Posted 11/12/2008  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add justabeginner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The tail of the roo looks perfect... :)
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 Posted 11/13/2008  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nevol to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Of course there's another possibility: that it's a counterfeit. It's a bit hard to tell without a clearer picture.
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 Posted 11/13/2008  05:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add latman100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Counterfeit would be my second guess.
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