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1861 1c Confederate States Of America Cent

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 Posted 03/02/2020  10:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Mysterium to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I know this a weird coin and I currently don't have a picture of the reverse side. It was in a friend's parent's collection. The parents were antique shop owners for years. Any thoughts?
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 Posted 03/02/2020  11:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Known examples of the CSA cent are known to be high grade examples. The Baslow restrikes were impressions from defaced dies. This looks like a worn example from a die that was not defaced, which differs from the originals and restrikes. You can send it in to a grading service, but it is likely a million to 1 against that this is genuine.
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 Posted 03/03/2020  01:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see you are new to the forum, but do please keep us aprised. I hope you will stay with us.

If you could get better photographs, that would be a start.

If you want a definitive answer, you might see if your local coin shop could send it in for authentication and/or grading.
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 Posted 03/03/2020  02:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Numismatic Student, what makes you say it is not a Bashlow restrike?

I see marks in all the right places, but I am far from qualified to make a call.
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The obverse die was defaced and the die surfaces were rusted and rough. The bust and neck of liberty looks too smooth to have been struck with the defaced dies. It looks like a copy to me.
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 Posted 03/07/2020  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mysterium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are some different images of the coin next to a modern us cent
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 Posted 03/07/2020  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverado to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've always liked that reverse design ....
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 Posted 03/08/2020  12:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Much better photos.
I am still leaning toward a Bashlow restrike.
I can't imagine anyone counterfeiting it . .
Mysterium, you can easily Google it and find the story.
Still, I would in no way consider myself as an authority on this.
This is what a nice one looks like.


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 Posted 03/08/2020  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I can't imagine anyone counterfeiting it .


There are plenty of reasons for counterfeiting it as the genuine example below sold for over $16K
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 Posted 03/08/2020  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jon K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OK,Slider, but we don't have an original.
We have a Bashlow.
I should have worded "There is no reason to counterfeit a Bashlow." Therefore I believe it to be an original Bashlow, not a counterfeit Bashlow.
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I almost pulled the trigger on this ebay example last week but decided against it. https://www.ebay.com/itm/143523480592
I have never owned a Bashlow but after reading the book "The Lovett Cent - A confederate story" I have wanted one in my collection to go with the book. When I got the book I just missed out on an entire Bashlow set of restrike coins now that was a cool set.

Here is one for $1800 https://www.tipsicocoin.com/tokens-...-tokens-rare

The set I watched sold for around $400 on ebay, should have got that when I had the chance. DOH.

This is a neat coin but really hard to tell if it's the real deal (restrike) or not, it has the look of a cast coin, but all the cast replicas I've see are not of the Bashlow defaced die strikes. I can't say for sure. Worth sending it in? Maybe but seeing as the Bashlow cents in better condition go for about $100 I'd say not worth spending $25-50 to find out. I'd just go to a dealer I trust that knows about these coins myself, granted the OP may not have that luxury but I see Mysterium is in Lancaster, TX area, not too far from downtown Dallas and Heritage. Who could easily let you know if it's a real deal or replica.
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The Bashlow token cents were actually struck in a variety of metals. This appears to be one of the restrikes and looks artificially aged/patinated/antiqued.
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