Counterfeit/Fake Swedish Coin? [1 Daler 1718, Saturn, 97% Tin]

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collectr New Member Australia 3 Posts	Posted 03/07/2020 01:42 am I bought a coin which was advertised as a "silver" Swedish daler from 1718. Turns out it's 97% tin and 3% bismuth. It's quite different to a real copper Daler. The pose of Saturn is off, there is a dot after the '1' which shouldn't be there and the floral pattern around the obverse is too thick in places. Also no edge pattern on the tin one either. Photos of comparison between a real Daler and my tin coin: I think it's strange that someone would fake a pretty common coin in the wrong material and add a whole heap of black toning to it. It doesn't make any sense. Are there any other examples of coins of this era being struck in tin? Any other clues as to it's origin? Thanks Edited by collectr 03/07/2020 01:49 am Report this Post to the Staff

John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 03/07/2020 09:10 am to CCF. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 03/07/2020 5:03 pm This is outside my collection area, but since no one else has replied, I might as well share what info I can dig out and hope someone with more information chimes in. These emergency coins from 1715-19 are popular to collect among Swedish collectors (although not by me) and are not hard to find in good condition. There are ten different types in the series and each type shows some variation in design elements. Your tin copy, for instance, looks more like this example of the same coin: https://www.ma-shops.com/wallinmynt....php?id=8561 There is not much information about copies, but I can find some brief notes (in Swedish) about the existence of copies of other coins in the series made of lead and bronzed copies made of unspecified material. So, yes there are copies, but they don't seem to be very common. According to the Swedish Royal Coin Cabinet, there are no known contemporary copies of these coins, so most probably your tin copy is modern. Report this Post to the Staff
collectr New Member Australia 3 Posts	Posted 03/07/2020 7:25 pm Thank you Erafjel for the info. The fact that it's an old fake makes a lot more sense. Any idea of value? Tack så Mycket Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 189340 Posts	Posted 03/08/2020 12:29 am to the Community! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 03/08/2020 09:17 am Quote: Tack så Mycket Ingen orsak I don't know how old the tin copy is, only that it is most likely later than the original coins, possibly of recent date. For value, I don't know - my guess is very little. Report this Post to the Staff
gxseries Pillar of the Community Australia 3831 Posts	Posted 03/08/2020 3:09 pm I'm intrigued. For coins struck in tin, that's actually in really good condition. How did you the metal composition - sent it to xrf? Hard to tell the value ATM but definitely not scrap value for starters My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseries My numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htm Regularly updated at least once a month. Report this Post to the Staff
collectr New Member Australia 3 Posts	Posted 03/08/2020 10:02 pm Thanks gxseries Yeah, the jeweller did it for me for free. XRF handheld. Fake or not, I've still gotten a lot of fun out of getting to the bottom of this one. And it only cost a couple of bucks. Report this Post to the Staff
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