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1967 1 Cent, Beakless Birds From Original Bank Wrapped Roll

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I managed to get some original bank wrapped rolls of 1967 pennies in a $25 banker box for face value the other day, I was really hoping to find a mint state doubled die but I didn't find any, but I did find some interesting things.

what made me decide to post them is the fact I cant seem to find anymore, I have $100 worth of these 1967 cents from my previous search for an MS doubled die and all of them in various conditions all seemed to have a beak (unless damaged by obvious PMD) so I found it odd enough to share given the condition they are in, I have about 5 in mint state from original wrapped rolls so I know whatever happened to them was done at the mint.

The last one on the top left close to the rim looks like it has been Struck Through Grease and has missing beads and some surface issues, I say this because one roll had a few with some grease residue still on the surface.

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1967-1-Cent,-Beakless-Birds-From-Original-Bank-Wrapped-Roll
1967-1-Cent,-Beakless-Birds-From-Original-Bank-Wrapped-Roll


Have any of you guys found these beakless birds? I understand to some this probably isn't a big find, but I'm just curious to know if anyone else has came across these too.
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That,s a cool find that I have not seen. My guess is that is a filled die or a weak strike. My question to you is how many cameo or heavy cameo were in that box? When I find cameo in a mint roll every one calls them PL strikes. (Not)
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My question to you is how many cameo or heavy cameo were in that box?


There were only 9 original bank wrapped rolls from 1967 in the box of $25 and the rest were customer wrapped and had various years, out of that 9 I have about 1 to possibly 2 full rolls that show a cameo from light to heavy, I did not pay too much attention to the cameo on them as I was mainly focused on the legend to see if there was doubling so I could have more, I plan to take a second look at the obverse of all 9 rolls of the mint state 67's from the box and note how many have cameo and how many don't.

I just finished overlooking all of the reverses of the 1967's I have for a second time just to confirm how many had beaks, now I plan to do the same for the obverse ones with cameo and filled dies/strike throughs.

I also found a couple good examples of Zoell's "Double Date"

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1967-1-Cent,-Beakless-Birds-From-Original-Bank-Wrapped-Roll

There are also a few of these, from Coins and Canada they are calling this Die Deterioration but I'm not exactly sure, something is going on with the rim though.


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1967-1-Cent,-Beakless-Birds-From-Original-Bank-Wrapped-Roll
1967-1-Cent,-Beakless-Birds-From-Original-Bank-Wrapped-Roll

Then I have 2 with a lot of missing beads and what I assume is either a Grease Filled Die, or Struck Through Grease as there was grease residue all over this coin.

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1967-1-Cent,-Beakless-Birds-From-Original-Bank-Wrapped-Roll

i figured I would add all of these here instead of making a bunch of separate posts for the same year coin as I thought they were also fairly interesting.
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The breast feathers are also not there. This is the deepest part of the reverse die.

If you show a photo of the obverse of those "beakless birds", you'll see the Queen's hair is also weakly struck.

Weak strike - that's all.
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From these photos, the queens hair seems to be unaffected by anything even on the "beakless birds", the portraits all look as they should unless I'm missing something.


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i would also like to add that the breast feathers are there, in hand with a loupe you can see them just fine, but obviously not as well struck as a proof strike, I take it that it is due to the lighting of my photos. The obverse was not affected at all if a weak strike is what is going on here. Also on this picture you can see the beakless birds have "feathers" all over their face where the beak should be and the middle one shows the breast feathers, the closer I get to the birds with my camera or microscope the less you can see them.


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So over the past couple of months I had a lot of interest in these coins, I also had Coins and Canada reach out to me regarding the beakless birds, apparently I am not the only one that has found these 1967 pennies with the beaks/face missing.

In 2010 a coin community member by the username ChickLit also found one, http://goccf.com/t/62903&SearchTerms=beakless,bird

I have also found 2 more recently while searching BU Original bank wrapped rolls. I am only reviving this post because it may mean something to someone some day. I was going by it being a weak strike like suggested but a lot of people for some reason became interested in it so I thought I would do a little update.

I plan to include it in my 2020 Catalogue in the minor error section, I've been asked to sell one on numerous occasions recently but I refuse to sell them until I know exactly what it is, I also wouldn't feel to good if it turned out to be really common (i think it probably is). I'm just not that type of person, Research is what I am after in the long run.
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