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George III Oval Counterstamp On Bolivia 8 Reales. Need Help Please!

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 Posted 03/17/2020  12:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add K35889k35889 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone!

I got this Great Britain 1794 Silver Dollar Oval Counterstamp from recently and weighs 26.85 grams. Need to know if this are Authentic or Fake coins.

Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks!!

I have also uploaded overlap on two sides.

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George-III-Oval-Counterstamp-On-Bolivia-8-Reales.-Need-Help-Please!

Rim & overlaps:

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 Posted 03/17/2020  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know nothing about it, but it sure is interesting!



to the CCF!
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I suspect that the host is not genuine mostly due to the poor quality of the edge. A regal issue would have been edged with a parallel edging mill that would produce a fairly straight array of alternating rectangles and circles, all of consistent shape. There appears to be so much extra overlap that I can't tell if both sides have the same length. The countermark is also suspect. The C/M design looks Ok but that bulge on the reverse shows that it was applied too strongly.
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 Posted 03/19/2020  04:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add K35889k35889 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for jgenn's reply.

After compared many of my Bolivia 8 reales edge of my collection, I think the poor quality of the edge and non-parallel edging mill are suspect. Additionally there's too much overlaps that really can't compare the same length on the each sides.
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 Posted 03/23/2020  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These are funny to say for certain, sometimes.

First the host - NOT any kind of contemporary counterfeit. It's either genuine regal, or modern fake. The edge design is indeed a mess and the surface is a bit funny... but as often discussed, Potosi output in this 1770s-90s period was VERY scattershot in terms of quality in a lot of aspects.

Then the stamp... FWIW, the stamp detail is good, and the field within the stamp oval looks to have some of the same golden hue tone seen in the king's IIII ordinal.

We're used to automatically condemning counterstamps when they are impressed so exaggeratedly deep like this... yet you see a decent amount of oval BofE stamps like this get called good by the Brits. An example from LondonCoins:
George-III-Oval-Counterstamp-On-Bolivia-8-Reales.-Need-Help-Please!
Have run across a few interesting BofE types recently - the piece w/the octagonal C/S being discussed on the PCGS board (sold by swamperbob's other co-author, btw), which **I** think is a genuine host with a contemporary counterfeit stamp...

Then this piece, genuine host with what (I believe to be) a neat contemp. ctfeit. stamp (I should have bought this):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/George-III...264666743842
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