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1839/1 Do Rm 8 Reales Potential Counterfeit?

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 Posted 03/21/2020  5:44 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add MaximillianMike to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello fellow collectors, I hope that everyone is staying safe and healthy in these troubled times!

Today I received this 1839/1 8 Reales in the mail and right off the bat I started noticing inconsistencies and oddities.

The specs are 26.6 grams 37mm oriented ^^ and it is non-magnetic

The Cap and Rays obverse is what I would call swollen. The ends of the rays show a notable raised area from one to the next especially at approximately 9-12 o'clock. Perhaps the die could have been worn?

It also has adjustment marks on the reverse that the design was struck over as noted in the photos. (see the snake below eagle and above cactus). There is also a die crack visible which to me rules out any casting and the edge is correct.

What sticks out the most is the fact that the diameter is off by approximately 1.9mm and the rays go clear to the edge. The second obviously being how raised the design of the obverse is, and third the orientation.

What are the chances I have a modern forgery, contemporary counterfeit or just an unusual period authentic coin?

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03/21/2020 9:04 pm
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 Posted 03/22/2020  6:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting piece.

My impression is that the obv mushiness is in line with a lot of genuine late 1830s-early 1840s Durango output.

Also, note those lines are raised, not incuse - NOT traditional adjustment marks. I would gather they ARE somehow related to blank manufacture/planchet prep - rather reminiscent of lines seen on some 1715 Fleet-era Mexican cobs.

From the look of the toning that has developed on the eagle side, I'd say it's of good alloy.
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03/23/2020 02:15 am
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 Posted 03/23/2020  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MaximillianMike to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Realeswatcher

I appreciate your reply. I know now its authentic and it's got some neat features. I am glad I bought it. She will stay in my keeper pile. Stay healthy and safe!
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