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1859 One Cent Clean It Or Not?

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 Posted 03/20/2020  12:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Cpg3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Would love anyone's opinion on cleaning this coin.

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 Posted 03/20/2020  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tee to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First rule is don't clean coins. Second rule is follow the first rule.

Experts will chime in with some proper techniques perhaps so wait and see a few recommendations before proceeding.
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Looks like it's already been cleaned. But that coin is a candidate for an acetone bath.
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It looks like PC59-229 and if you are going to "clean it" then I would suggest soaking in WD40 and picking out the crud with a hawthorn thorn as it is soft enough not to damage the coin(my thoughts)
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You ordinarily would never clean coins, but the green isn't dirt, it's a chemical reaction and/or corrosion. I would recommend a few fairly quick dips in acetone and work GENTLY with a soft cotton swab and/or flat toothpick. A vanilla 1859 with that much wear isn't worth more than a buck or two, but the specific type of vine break at leaf 2 (about 12:30 on the clock) opens the possibility that it could be a scarcer variety. There are a number of different dies with that type of vine break at 2, some scarce, some not .. the only way to tell is to look for other markers, but the markers are hidden in the green. Only acetone will allow a peek at them.... pay attention to the reverse side around leaves 11-14. Is the 5 "doubled"?
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If you can get any Verdi-Care then I would use that.
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+1 for Verdi-care
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If the gunk is soft enough to remove with a fingernail, use some oil, wd-40, vegetable oil, etc., and a toothbrush (no it won't scratch bronze). If it's hard, try acetone. If you don't have acetone (who does?) or it doesn't work, soak in a rust remover for a day or 2 and try the brush again. If that doesn't work, end of the road.
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Thank you for your input.
Much appreciated.

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You can go into any Home Depot, Lowe's or hardware store and get a pinto or quart of acetone for just a few bucks. Verdi-care used to be hard to find, but who knows now.
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I think that the bronze disease still needs passivation, otherwise more damage will result over the long term.
That is a tough call to make, and even tougher to follow up on, because most passivation techniques do net necessarily apply to bronze coins, because the patina relating to coins may be be at risk.

Some extensive internet searching on the subject of passivation of bronze disease has to be done, before a risk may be taken to proceed.

Museums are often forced to take this type of risk with ancient bronze coins recovered from direct contact ground burial.
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I would never clean any coin no matter the wear or what gunk may be present- UNLESS you can do so very gently, or using acetone very lightly.

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that green doesn't look like corrosion to me kinda looks like waxy stuff I would go for it with a qtip and acetone, ive had a couple like this that came out looking nice also not a real valueble coin
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It may very well be the case that the coin has had the benefit of protection by a coating in Renwax or something similar.

(Renwax is sometimes used by museums to protect ancient bronze coins after a restoration or bronze disease passivaton).

If that is the case, then the removal of the wax protection by cleaning in acetone could start the bronze disease again, especially if there is any moisture that may be close to the coin.
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