Help Iding Holy Roman Empire Silver Coin

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Numis-Northerner Pillar of the Community Canada 857 Posts	Posted 03/20/2020 7:38 pm Looks to have a clip. Can't get out of holder pics as coin is not mine. Report this Post to the Staff

Spence Moderator United States 34402 Posts	Posted 03/20/2020 9:38 pm @NN, would you mind taking the coin out of the 2x2 and shooting new pics? It looks to me like the obv inscription is MATHI I ROM IMP SEMP AVG, which is quite close to this Schilling from the German County of Kleve: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces80652.html However, the shield doesn't quite seem to match up. I agree that it looks much more like a more complicated version of this Habsburg shield on this 10 Kreuzer: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces51898.html I'm hoping with better pics, I'll be able to better tease out the rev inscription. Thx. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Numis-Northerner Pillar of the Community Canada 857 Posts	Posted 03/20/2020 10:44 pm Don't worry I have already found out what it is. It is a Belgium 4 sous. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34402 Posts	Posted 03/21/2020 06:52 am Ok good to know, although this coin didn't strike me as being Belgian. I'll move your thread over to the world coin section. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7940 Posts	Posted 03/21/2020 07:36 am It looks like it's from the reign of Holy Roman Emperor Matthias (1612-1619) (I can see MATH RO I SEMP AVG obv) Most coins from Spanish Netherlands (Belgium) during this period were in the name of Albert and Isabella (Archduke & Duchess of Austria), not Matthias. I am almost certain it is not a coin of Brabant or Flanders, which are what is often referred to as Belgium at this time. But there were many small principalities nearby, each with their own coins. The general design of the coin looks like the Brabant and Flanders 4 stuiver coin under Holy Roman Emperor Charles from the 1540s, but that is a much larger coin, not the coin that is shown. @numis, do you have a KM number? Edited by tdziemia 03/21/2020 09:12 am Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7940 Posts	Posted 03/21/2020 09:35 am Well, I learned something new. Probably Reckheim, KM-11 or KM-12, though the reverse legend does not match. https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...+NETHERLANDS®ion=RECKHEIM&denom=4+Sols&date=&catalogInitials=&catalogNumber= Numista has a few examples of coins from this place listed in a couple of different subheadings under Netherlands, based on types that the Reckheim coins are copying. Possibly this coin is a Reckheim "imitation" of the first coin linked by @spence. I did not recognize it as Belgium because there is quite a bit of disagreement about how/where to categorize this place. https://en.numista.com/forum/topic61995.html Seems you've got quite an unusual coin, Congrats! Edited by tdziemia 03/21/2020 09:53 am Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7940 Posts	Posted 03/22/2020 1:59 pm That link to NGC/Astrian Netherlands/Reckheim did not work so well. This should work: https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...talogNumber= Digging into the Reckheim 4 sols/sous coin on other search sites, I couldn't find any recent sales of this type with Matthias name, so perhaps it is a scarcer variant? And, under the same ruler (Ernst), even the coat of arms is variable, displaying lions, chevrons, crosses and stars in different combinations (yours lacks the chevron, but has horizontal bars). Report this Post to the Staff
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