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 Posted 03/20/2020  7:49 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I folks

I haven't been buying many ancients for some time now.

What few I new ones I have are mostly Iberian and have not been photographed yet.

This coin came with an Iberian I got sometime back.

Just wondering if anyone can help me with an ID.

So far it's been in the unknown file with a few others.

Hope it won't have to stay there.

AE 19mm, 4.3g

Thanks a million.

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 Posted 03/20/2020  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well @bobL is the expert on this stuff, but I'm gonna take a wild guess here. With what looks like a bull and a star on the rev, I think it looks Punic. Here is a link to a somewhat similar coin.

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces196716.html


The weight and diameter are close, but the bull might be facing the wrong way, so I'm probably way off.

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 Posted 03/20/2020  9:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
wow Spence

That's pretty darn close.

I thought the head looked like Tanit, but the bull is not exactly standing the same.

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'Evening, guys.

I'm fairly certain the obverse is a laureate head of Apollo, not a wreathed Tanit.

Too bad the coin has so much wear. It's not even clear which way the bull is facing, right or left. I suspect, however, that it may be a butting bull, right.

I'm not entirely convinced that it's a star above the bull either. Might be. But hard to tell.

There are AE's from Cales, Campania with a left-facing laureate Apollo for the obverse, and a right-facing man-faced bull, with star above, for the reverse. But, I don't see remnants of a large man-face on the OP...but, again, hard to tell.

Assuming the marks above the bull may be the remains of lettering, and assuming the reverse may be struck low enough to have cut off some lettering in exergue, the coin may be from Tauromenion, Sicily. The rendition of Apollo is spot-on for those. Size is about right, I believe. But this is just a guess. I'll put together a comparison collage in a few minutes.
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Well, here are some Tauromenion obverses and reverses for comparison. (Oops...I just realized I repeated one coin's obverse twice...sorry)

Not at all entirely convinced this is what Scott's coin is. But I do think his coin likely has an Apollo/bull combo.

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Edit: Apollo/bull combos from Massalia might be worth looking at too. Some of those do have various symbols above the butting bull on their reverses. However their fabric tends to be dumpier, sometimes with flan sprues showing. But, to be sure, Massalia is a possibility.
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Thanks Bob


Massalia is looking pretty good!

Kinda makes sense too, since the coin came from Spain.
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Nice work as always Bob!
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A photo of one from vcoins.

19mm, 4.1g

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Another one here, about the same size and weight, with a write up. (in French)

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=44832



Thanks Bob
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