Duchy Of Lorraine Denier 1251 To 1303 Ad

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Spence Moderator United States 34426 Posts	Posted 03/22/2020 3:49 pm I added this Denier recently for the cool looking letter A and thought I'd show it off a little. I do note that there are a couple other really great CCF threads on the coins of Lorraine, including one by @tdz and one by @t360: http://goccf.com/t/36011 http://goccf.com/t/318685 This Denier was minted in the capital (Nancy) and the obv legend is NAN CEI. On the rev, you can see FERI, which indicates that it was struck for Frederick III (1251 to 1303 AD). It is attributed as Roberts 9291. According to Roberts, Quote: Under Ferri (Frederick III), the horseman obverse type was combined with the sword reverse type to form the best known ande most plentiful coin of medieval Lorraine. Ferri's reign was distinguished mainly for its length--over 50 years. He married a daughter of Thibault of Champagne, who was also King of Navarre; this alliance was one factor that helped make him rich. His wealth is indicated by his vast output of Deniers. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff

Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 03/22/2020 4:05 pm Dave, where would this "A" place on the Spenciner chart? I assume it's got four strokes (I see a thin horizontal across the top of the letter), but does it fit cleanly into any of your subtypes? I do see some similarity to both 4.b and 4.d. Or would you call it a variant of type 4? Edited by Kamnaskires 03/22/2020 4:06 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34426 Posts	Posted 03/22/2020 4:32 pm Yes good question Bob and I can't tell you how thrilled that seemingly someone else in the world notices these things. Due to the two vertical strokes and three horizontal strokes, I actually would call it a 5d. Interestingly the 5 stroke letter A seems to become more prominent in the 13th and especially 14th Centuries (although I do note that 5 stroke letter As were also quite common on 9th Century Byzantine coins. I'm pretty sure it is my first example of this style. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Kamnaskires Pillar of the Community United States 7066 Posts	Posted 03/22/2020 4:52 pm Ah, so there are actually five strokes. Thanks for the clarification. I missed the horizontal across the bottom of the letter. Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7955 Posts	Posted 03/22/2020 8:59 pm Very nice! Lorraine is one of the places where I have an OFER (One From Every Reign) collection in the medieval period (I lived in Nancy 1980-81 which explains my fondness). The horseman/sword combo also shows up on some very nice double deniers (but probably with less interesting As ) (Edit: I take it back. It has either a 5 or 6 stroke A ... the type where the "feet" of the two vertical strokes are at an angle rather than flat. Also seen on Italian coins of the same era.) Edited by tdziemia 03/22/2020 9:06 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34426 Posts	Posted 03/22/2020 9:04 pm @tdz, well perhaps after we finish the saints compendium, you want to start a Lorraine thread that will have us work through all the rulers? I've only got a couple that I could contribute, but that would pretty amazing to watch unfold. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7955 Posts	Posted 03/22/2020 9:08 pm Sounds like fun ... BTW, see my edit of the last post Report this Post to the Staff
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